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Nationalize 401K's?

muleman

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Dear Fellow Sitting Duck:
As Obama's spending orgy sinks America deeper into financial turmoil, he is about to turn Uncle Sam's acute funding crisis into YOUR problem.
In fact, Obama's Treasury and Labor Departments just held outrageous, executive branch hearings on nationalization of retirement accounts, and they are actively looking for the opportunity to ram this asset grab through.
Your nest egg is in their cross-hairs; you know, to "protect you" from losing your own money.
Congressional heavyweights such as Rep. George Miller (D-CA) have already held hearings on "merging" 401(k)s, IRAs, and other tax-advantaged private savings programs into the failed Social Security program.
That's why it's absolutely vital you take a quick moment today to sign the Keep Obama's Hands Off My Retirement Account petition to Congress.
In my 23+ years of exposing government attacks on assets for discerning Americans, trust me when I tell you that we ALL need to tell Congress in no uncertain terms:
DON'T LET OBAMA GET HIS GRUBBY HANDS
INTO MY RETIREMENT ACCOUNTS!!!!!
Here's what is going on.
The cash-strapped Obama Administration's unofficial 401(k) nationalization czar is utopian New School for Social Research academic Teresa Ghilarducci -- who was dubbed by U.S. News and World Report as "the most dangerous woman in America" after she appeared before Congress to testify in favor of government seizing 401(k)s and other retirement assets.
The "Most Dangerous Woman in America"
Who Helped Obama Rip Off GM Bond Holders
Now Wants YOUR Retirement Money!
Following her Congressional testimony at a 2008 hearing to begin ending 401(k) and IRA tax advantages, Ghilarducci admitted on conservative talk show host Wilbur Kirby's KVI 570 show in Seattle the truth about the left's scheme for gaining control of private retirement accounts:
"I'm just rearranging the tax breaks that are available now for the 401(k)s and spreading [here she paused briefly to consider her words] spreading the wealth..."​
It is vital you sign our grassroots petition right away! Obama administration officials and their leftist allies in Congress have zeroed in on over $15 trillion in 401(k)s, IRAs, 403(b)s, and other accounts – and only a grassroots bonfire of opposition will ultimately stop them.
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In addition to the Congressional hearings referenced above -- and an "automatic IRA" bill introduced in August by Senator John Kerry (D-MA) -- Obama bureaucrats are working furiously on new regulations (CFR, Part 1, RIN 1545-BJ04) to "herd" unsuspecting 401(k)/IRA holders' money into government-approved "investments," such as federal government debt. The "mainstream media" have totally blown off this story.
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P.S. Obama administration officials are desperately looking for new suckers to pay for their trillion dollar deficits. That's why they want to nationalize our retirement accounts. We must stop them!
 

loboloco

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No truth to this story. but go ahead, have the old wing nut panic attack anyway. I love those.
Since the regulation as quoted in the above article is being worked on and is designed to force 401k's under a federal umbrella I think you may be confused as to the truthfulness or lack thereof of the article.
 

loboloco

Well-known member
As I said earlier, since at least a portion of the article is based on factual information, which does include regulations to 'umbrella' 401k's, I think maybe Mak is the one who needs to do the googling. He might realize that there is at least some smoke here.

That said, I doubt an out and out grab as the article seems to indicate is near. I think this will be more like the creeping socialism affecting us since Roosevelt.
 

loboloco

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Per factcheck.org, her plan was to creat Guaranteed Retirement Accounts which would be an additional 5% tax to fund. She also proposed the option to trade in your 401k for a GRA. http://www.factcheck.org/askfactche...democrats_talking_about_confiscating_ira.html

Can anyone point to where she advocates seizing retirement accounts?

And why is this issue being revisited 2 years later?
The article above. Also, current work on regulations being readied, but not fully released.
The belief here jpr is that in order to get the GRA functional, it will be in the governments interest to control or discourage other forms of retirement savings investment. True or not, I have no idea, but there is a good bit of commentary coming thru on this.
Having looked at some of the proposals put forward, which are basically a nationalization of 401 and IRA accounts I can see a reason for concern. I doubt any of the more radical proposals will be immediately passed. More like a regulation here and an adjustment there, but it amounts to forcing people into further dependency on the government. Not really worried about myself. Looking down the road though, I can see a nightmare for my kids.
 

loboloco

Well-known member
Either way, if social security is swirling down the drain, why is another gummint sponsored retirement tax program a good idea?

An earlier FF thread on the topic: http://www.forumsforums.com/3_9/showthread.php?t=21406


jpr, I have no idea why anyone would think a government run retirement program, or a government run medical system, or a government run education system, or a government run anything(except the military) would be a good idea.
 

waybomb

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jpr, I have no idea why anyone would think a government run retirement program, or a government run medical system, or a government run education system, or a government run anything(except the military) would be a good idea.

Iraq and Afghanistan would be over already if the military were allowed to manage their business. Vietnam would have ended in about a year as well.

Government should only fund the war and get the hell out of the way.
 

mak2

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Iraq and Afghanistan would be over already if the military were allowed to manage their business. Vietnam would have ended in about a year as well.

Government should only fund the war and get the hell out of the way.

I completely agree with this. I dont think the US should go to war unless there is an undeniable threat to our security, kinda like self defense on a personal level, then, when the first boot hits the ground, it is on. Our economy should switch to a war time arms manufacturing machine. Our Generals should be unleashed. Who ever we declare war on should be defeated with the utmost prejudice, as quickly as possible, with the loss of the fewest AMerican servimen as possible.
 
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darroll

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401 K.
When I turn 70 1/2 I have to start taking money out of my IRA or the government will.
When I turn 70 1/2 my 401 will start being tapped by the government.
I have my broker trying to roll over my 401 K, the people that hold the stock will not even talk to her. So here I sit?
 

SShepherd

New member
I completely agree with this. I dont think the US should go to war unless there is an undeniable threat to our security, kinda like self defense on a personal level, then, when the first boot hits the ground, it is on. Our economy should switch to a war time arms manufacturing machine. Our Generals should be unleashed. Who ever we declare war on should be defeated with the utmost prejudice, as quickly as possible, with the loss of the fewest AMerican servimen as possible.

and I agree also..

You don't unleash the dogs of war.....and keep a grip on their tails

unfortunatly...feely good poloticians like to parade around like peacocks and use war for their own gains.
poloticians don't fight wars...they start them..
 
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