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Obama’s NAFTA double-talk confirmed

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Hmmm maybe Obama is ready for the white house, it looks like he has two faced double speak down pretty good:

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Obama’s NAFTA double-talk confirmed: CTV

posted at 10:11 am on February 29, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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After reporting on Barack Obama’s dance with the Canadians on NAFTA yesterday, Canadian broadcaster CTV got accused of perpetrating a smear against the Democratic front-runner. They insisted that Obama meant every word he said about overturning the free-trade treaty, and that no one had contacted the Canadian diplomatic corps to reassure them that it was mere demagoguery. CTV responded today by naming names — and suddenly the Obama campaign has grown quiet:
The Obama campaign told CTV late Thursday night that no message was passed to the Canadian government that suggests that Obama does not mean what he says about opting out of NAFTA if it is not renegotiated.
However, the Obama camp did not respond to repeated questions from CTV on reports that a conversation on this matter was held between Obama’s senior economic adviser — Austan Goolsbee — and the Canadian Consulate General in Chicago.
Earlier Thursday, the Obama campaign insisted that no conversations have taken place with any of its senior ranks and representatives of the Canadian government on the NAFTA issue. On Thursday night, CTV spoke with Goolsbee, but he refused to say whether he had such a conversation with the Canadian government office in Chicago. He also said he has been told to direct any questions to the campaign headquarters.
CTV didn’t stop there. They also announced that their sources, at “the highest levels of the Canadian government”, reconfirmed the story to CTV. One of their primary sources provided a timeline of the discussion to CTV. Contrary to some reports, CTV has not retreated at all from this story.
Jim Geraghty notes:
I realize Obama’s campaign can still claim that one of his advisers went rogue in contacting the Canadians about his NAFTA rhetoric, but to me, this is game, set and match to CTV. … If Goolsbee had not talked to officials in the consulate, it seems likely that his answer would have been, “No, I didn’t talk to them.”
Who is Austin Goolsbee? According to this press release from last September, Goolsbee serves as the Senior Economic Advisor to the Obama campaign. He was highly touted by Obama in his visit to Iowa in that month, when he showed his intellectual chops by bringing Goolsbee along with a raft of other advisers, in part to show that he wasn’t a political lightweight.
It will be rather hard to distance himself from Goolsbee at this point. If Goolsbee spent time reassuring the Canadians sotto voce that Obama was merely demagoguing on NAFTA, then voters need to understand that the supposed “new politics” of Obama smells very similar to that of the same old lies and empty rhetoric we have heard from the Beltway for decades. And without that “new politics”, Obama is nothing more than an empty suit with a pleasant voice.
UPDATE: ABC also gets some refusal to confirm or deny from both Goolsbee and the Canadian diplomat in question, Georges Rioux.
 

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No matter which Dem wins, the CanUKs are gonna get a knife in the back...

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Both Clinton and Obama reassured Canada on trade

OTTAWA (AFP) - US presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton's campaign, while rapping rival Barack Obama for telling US voters he is anti-NAFTA and saying otherwise to Canada, tried to reassure Canada too, local media said Thursday.

A top aide of Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper meanwhile was identified as the likely source of an alleged leak that provoked a diplomatic fiasco involving both US Democratic presidential contenders.

Last month, Harper's chief of staff, Ian Brodie, purportedly made impromptu remarks to journalists about Clinton's US presidential bid, said Canadian reports.

The offhand comments apparently sought to downplay the potential impact on Canada of Clinton and Obama's attacks on the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) during stops in the US state of Ohio.

Brodie told reporters that the Clinton campaign had called the Canadian embassy in Washington to tell officials to take her anti-NAFTA rhetoric "with a grain of salt," said local media.

Around the same time, a news agency reported that a Canadian government memo detailed a meeting between Obama's chief economic advisor Austan Goolsbee and officials from the Canadian consulate in Chicago.

The memo reportedly said Goolsbee noted Obama's attacks on NAFTA should not be taken out of context, citing fiercely protectionist sentiment in Ohio about the pact and political positioning as a motivation.

Thursday, US Ambassador David Wilkins told public broadcaster CBC this amounted to Canadian political interference in the US political process. "It certainly shouldn't have happened; it was interference," he said.

The affair has certainly embarrassed Canada's diplomatic corps and may have cost Obama votes in the crucial Ohio primaries earlier this week.

The 1994 trade pact created the largest trading bloc in the world by eliminating import tariffs on goods circulating among partners Canada, the United States and Mexico.

In a televised debate last month in Ohio, both Obama and Clinton said if the next US president is a Democrat, Mexico and Canada would be pressured to renegotiate NAFTA.

But free trade and NAFTA in particular is a fiercely contentious issue in Ohio, which has been badly hit by the flight of blue collar jobs abroad, and increased global economic competition.

As the scandal unfolded, Clinton accused Obama's campaign of giving the Canadian government "the old wink-wink" while Republican nominee John McCain said it showed Obama was not a straight shooter.

Obama countered: "Nobody reached out to the Canadians to try to assure them of anything."

Goolsbee's meeting with Canadian Consul General Georges Rioux was later confirmed, but Goolsbee said his remarks were misrepresented.

The Clinton camp has not yet commented on the latest allegations, but acknowledged Canada's Obama smudge gave her campaign a "significant" boost during the recent US primaries.

The Canadian prime minister's office has said Brodie "does not recall" making the statements to reporters said to have set off the scandal, and Harper himself denied that Brodie leaked any information.

On Wednesday, Harper announced a probe into the "blatantly unfair" and possibly "illegal" leaking of the government memo assailing Obama.

But Canada's opposition New Democrats urged Harper to fire Brodie for his alleged Clinton slip and called for a federal police investigation of the whole case.


Why can't Yahoo writers form paragraphs?:confused:
 

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Why can't Yahoo writers form paragraphs?:confused:

Bob, that article was written by the AFP, which is a French news agency that pretends to be the next BBC or AP. It claims to be the oldest news agency in the world.

AFP = Agence France-Presse :France:
 

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Why can't Yahoo writers form paragraphs?:confused:

That depends on what government is in power in Canada next year. Unlike the US, Canada's government can change whenever there is a vote of non-confidence in the House of Commons.

I suspect the current Conservative minority government in Canada was never going to get any respect from the Democratic Party. They have nothing to gain by the Democrat's getting in the White House.
 

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No matter which Dem wins, the CanUKs are gonna get a knife in the back...

I hope that this is all talk by the want a be's to impress the voters and will just go away in time. Politicians live by peoples short memories, as they always have.

Contrary to what "some" Americans think, not all Canadians think they got a good deal from NAFTA either. Some Canadians believe that we were sold out by our negotiators on oil. water, softwood and electricity and it should be reopened. Remember Canada is the biggest supplier of oil to the US and the US wants us to up the amount we are producing.

In the mid nineties a lot of companies that were manufacturing in both the US and Canada stopped production in Canada because of NAFTA. It became easier to just produce products in the southern US and ship to Canada. A lot of jobs disappeared and lowered the standard of living for a lot of Canadians. I am sure there are just as many stories from the US as well on job loses and reduced standard of living.

I think it would be like going to Northern Ireland and renegotiating the peace agreement with the IRA (not really but you know what I mean). In the end a lot more people will be unhappy, on both sides, with whatever the changes might be, and it will take forever to come to a new agreement. It has taken a dozen years for the majority to accept what was agreed upon, and then just two politicians to shoot their mouths off and screw it up.

Anyone can run a country when times are good. It takes a special person when the tide turns to manage properly without throwing stones. Just remember their own house might just be made of glass.
 
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