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N.Korea tests Nuke ~ Obama hands off to the U.N.?!?

Melensdad

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Trying to wrap my head around this one. North Korea, probably the most dangerous nation on the planet, ruled by a man who is reportedly mentally unstable and clearly a threat to not just western nations but to all nations, has just tested a nuclear bomb. Further, it is believed that North Korea will sell its technology to ANYONE who can pony up the price and has ties to Iran's nutcase president as well as Hugo Chavez sitting on the equator just to our south.

So how does the White House respond? It takes the nuclear football and passes it to the do-nothing/ineffective/neutered organization called the UNITED NATIONS.

Yup, that will work well.

Wash your hands of this problem Mr President. You are the leader of the world and you are not leading.

North Korea declares it conducted nuclear test

By JEAN H. LEE, Associated Press Writer
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090525...zBHBvcwMxNARzZWMDdG9vbHMtdG9wBHNsawNwcmludA--
11 mins ago

SEOUL, South Korea – North Korea claimed it carried out a powerful underground nuclear test Monday — much larger than one conducted in 2006 — in a major provocation in the escalating international standoff over its rogue nuclear and missile programs.

The country's official Korean Central News Agency said the regime "successfully conducted one more underground nuclear test on May 25 as part of measures to bolster its nuclear deterrent for self-defense."

Russia's Defense Ministry confirmed an atomic explosion at 9:54 a.m. (0054 GMT) in northeastern North Korea, estimating the blast's yield at 10 to 20 kilotons — comparable to the bombs that flattened Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Hours later, the regime test-fired three short-range, ground-to-air missiles, the Yonhap news agency reported, citing unnamed sources. U.N. Security Council resolutions bar North Korea engaging in any ballistic missile-related activity.

President Barack Obama called the moves "blatant defiance" of the Security Council and a violation of international law that would only further isolate North Korea.
North Korea's claims "are a matter of grave concern to all nations," he said, calling for international action in a statement from Washington. "North Korea's attempts to develop nuclear weapons, as well as its ballistic missile program, constitute a threat to international peace and security."
British Prime Minister Gordon Brown condemned the test as "erroneous, misguided and a danger to the world."

Japanese Prime Minister Taro Aso said the Security Council will meet at 4:30 p.m. Monday in New York (2030 GMT).

"North Korea's nuclear test poses a grave challenge to nuclear nonproliferation and clearly violates U.N. Security Council resolutions," he said in Tokyo. "We are not tolerating this at all."

Even China, North Korea's traditional ally, issued rare criticism of Pyongyang, with the Foreign Ministry saying in a statement posted on its Web site that Beijing was "resolutely opposed" to the test.

North Korea's bold defiance raises the stakes in the standoff over its nuclear program. In the past two months, Pyongyang has launched a rocket despite international calls for restraint; abandoned international nuclear negotiations; restarted its nuclear plants; and warned it would carry out the atomic test as well as long-range missile tests.

The rise in tensions comes amid questions about who will succeed impoverished North Korea's authoritarian leader, 67-year-old Kim Jong Il, who is believed to have suffered a stroke last August. North Korea also has custody of two American journalists — accused of entering the country illegally and engaging in "hostile acts" — who are set to stand trial in Pyongyang on June 4.

"This is a political act more than a military act," said Jim Walsh, an international security expert at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Walsh said domestic factors related to North Korea's political transition were likely the main factor.

Monday's atomic test was conducted about 50 miles (80 kilometers) northwest of the northern city of Kilju, Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Alexander Drobyshevsky said, speaking on state-run Rossiya television.

Kilju, in the northeastern province of North Hamgyong, is where North Korea conducted its first nuclear test in October 2006 in a surprise move that also angered China and drew wide-ranging sanctions from the Security Council.

An emergency siren sounded in the Chinese border city of Yanji, 130 miles (200 kilometers) to the northwest. A receptionist at Yanji's International Hotel said she and several hotel guests felt the ground tremble.

North Korea boasted that Monday's test was conducted "on a new higher level in terms of its explosive power and technology of its control" than in 2006.

Pyongyang is believed to have enough weaponized plutonium for at least a half-dozen atomic bombs. However, experts say scientists have not yet mastered the miniaturization needed to mount a nuclear device onto a long-range missile.

Ten to 20 kilotons would be far more than North Korea managed in 2006. U.S. intelligence officials said the 2006 test measured less than a kiloton; 1 kiloton is equal to the force produced by 1,000 tons of TNT. However, Russia estimated the force of the 2006 blast at 5 to 15 kilotons, far higher than other estimates at the time.

Radiation levels in Russia's Primorye region, which shares a short border with North Korea, were normal Monday several hours after the blast, the state meteorological office said.

In Vladivostok, a city of 500,000 people about 85 miles (140 kilometers) from the Russian-North Korean border, translator Alexei Sergeyev said he wasn't concerned about the test and doesn't fear North Korea. "Their nuclear program does not have military aims — their only aim is to frighten the U.S. and receive more humanitarian aid as a result," said Sergeyev.

The reported test-firing of short-range missiles took place at the Musudan-ri launchpad on North Korea's northeast coast, some 30 miles (50 kilometers) from the nuclear test site, Yonhap said. Unnamed sources described it as a ground-to-air missile with a range of 80 miles (130 kilometers).

Japan's coast guard said Friday that North Korea warned ships to avoid waters off the coast near the launch site, suggesting Pyongyang was preparing for a missile test. Yonhap also reported brisk activity along the northeast coast last week.

South Korean troops were on high alert but there was no sign North Korean soldiers were massing along the heavily fortified border dividing the two nations, according to an official at the Joint Chiefs of Staff headquarters in Seoul. He spoke on condition of anonymity, citing agency policy.

The two Koreas technically remain at war because their three-year conflict ended in a truce, not a peace treaty, in 1953. Tensions have been high since conservative President Lee Myung-bak took office in Seoul in February 2008 saying Pyongyang must fulfill its promises to dismantle its nuclear program before it can expect aid. South Koreans, meanwhile, were grappling with the suicide two days earlier of Lee's liberal predecessor, Roh Moo-hyun, whose death elicited condolences from Kim Jong Il. Kim held a 2007 summit in Pyongyang with Roh, who championed reconciliation with North Korea.

North Korea had agreed in February 2007 to a six-nation pact to begin disabling its main nuclear reactor in exchange for 1 million tons of fuel oil and other concessions. But Pyongyang abruptly halted the process last summer over a dispute with Washington over how to verify its 18,000-page list of past atomic activities.

Talks hosted by Beijing in December failed to resolve the impasse, and North Korea abandoned the six-nation negotiations last month in anger over the U.N. condemnation of its rocket launch. North Korea claims it launched the rocket to send a satellite into space; South Korea, Japan and other nations saw it as a way to test the technology used to launch an intercontinental ballistic missile, one capable of reaching the U.S.​
 

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Obama: North Korea 'Recklessly Challenging' International Community

Looks like Biden was right on BO being tested, folk this is serious IMHO!

Obama: North Korea 'Recklessly Challenging' International Community

North Korea's nuclear test is a "matter of grave concern," President Obama said Monday, as officials in Washington accused the rogue regime of blatantly defying the international community.

The communist country said it had carried out a powerful underground nuclear test, much larger than one conducted in 2006. The regime also test-fired three short-range, ground-to-air missiles later Monday from the same northeastern site where it launched a rocket last month, the Yonhap news agency reported, citing unnamed sources.

The twin moves were roundly condemned in Washington.

"These actions, while not a surprise given its statements and actions to date, are a matter of grave concern to all nations," Obama said in a written statement, calling them an apparent violation of international law. "North Korea's attempts to develop nuclear weapons, as well as its ballistic missile program, constitute a threat to international peace and security."
He said the country was acting in "blatant defiance" of the United Nations Security Council, while "directly and recklessly challenging the international community."

Obama accused North Korea of increasing tensions and threatening stability in the region, while only further isolating itself.

"It will not find international acceptance unless it abandons its pursuit of weapons of mass destruction and their means of delivery," Obama said. "The danger posed by North Korea's threatening activities warrants action by the international community."

He said the United States would continue working in multilateral talks and will hold consultations with members of the U.N. Security Council.
Both the missile firing and nuclear test caught U.S. officials by surprise, according to one official, though Obama and Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said North Korean leaders' recent statements previewed such a move.

"They didn't give us any warning whatsoever," a senior U.S. intelligence official who works on North Korean issues told FOX News.
The tests added an extra layer of urgency to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's trip to China, where she is meeting with officials to discuss climate change.

"Such action by North Korea is unacceptable and cause for great alarm," Pelosi said in a written statement from Shanghai. "These reported tests underscore the message our congressional delegation planned to deliver to top Chinese government leaders during our meetings later this week: the Chinese must use their influence to help bring North Korea to the table for the Six-Party talks. Today's announcement makes that need all the more urgent."

The rocket liftoff, widely believed to be a cover for a test of its long-range missile technology, drew censure from the U.N. Security Council.
Mullen told FOX News that North Korea's actions speak "to their growing belligerence."

He said the country is still trying to "destabilize" the region.
"And in the long run should they develop a nuclear weapons program, and a program that could in fact be put on missiles that could reach the reach the United States, that could be a significant threat to us," he said.

Former South Korean Foreign Minister Han Sung-Joo told FOX News his scientists estimated the scale of the latest North Korean nuclear test to be about 10 times the size of the 2006 nuclear test.

They registered the tremor from the blast at 4.5 on the Richter scale. That is 1.0 more than in 2006, or 10 times greater. It is estimated that the 2006 test was about 800 tons, just under one kiloton. That would make today's blast around 10 kilotons.

By comparison, the bomb dropped on Hiroshima was 22 kilotons.
The former South Korean foreign minister called the latest test serious, and a potential "game-changer."

He said North Korea's Kim Jong Il is trying to escalate its nuclear capabilities to attain a better bargaining position, and eventually is seeking bi-lateral talks with the United States. He said North Korea is directly trying to draw attention from the Obama administration.
 

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Russia's Defense Ministry confirmed an atomic explosion at 9:54 a.m. (0054 GMT) in northeastern North Korea, estimating the blast's yield at 10 to 20 kilotons — comparable to the bombs that flattened Hiroshima and Nagasaki.



Oh my God.
 

XeVfTEUtaAqJHTqq

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So why does the U.S. have to deal with this?

It looks to me like the countries in that region have much more to lose in the short term than the U.S.

However, the second N. Korea even looks like they are actually going to threaten us then they get removed from the earth.

I'm a little sick of the US being the world police. We should pull our troops out of S. Korea, Japan, Germany, and all those other places and let them start paying their full load to defend themselves.
 

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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D98DB0TG0&show_article=1

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama says the United States will work with allies around the world to "stand up to" North Korea in the wake of its latest nuclear tests.

Standing in the Rose Garden of the White House Monday, Obama called the latest underground nuclear test and tests of short-range missiles "reckless" and said "I strongly condemn" Pyongyang's actions.

Obama discussed the latest nuclear incident just before going to neighboring Virginia to pay tribute to American war dead buried at Arlington National Cemetery. He called North Korea's latest series of tests "a blunt violation of international law" and said that Pyongyang has reneged on its commitment to abandon its nuclear ambitions.
 

Melensdad

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So why does the U.S. have to deal with this?
Because nobody else will. The only people with enough balls to deal with this are the Israelis and they only would care if N.Korea appeared to be exporting the technology to terrorist groups or nations in the middle east . . . which, of course, is very likely they would do.
 

XeVfTEUtaAqJHTqq

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Because nobody else will. The only people with enough balls to deal with this are the Israelis and they only would care if N.Korea appeared to be exporting the technology to terrorist groups or nations in the middle east . . . which, of course, is very likely they would do.

They are no immediate threat to us. Simply warn them and all their neighbors that if one of their missiles takes a heading towards any US land mass then that will be considered an act of war and we will remove them from the face of the earth. They can lob missiles north, west, or south but if they send something east then they can kiss their asses good bye.

Problem solved.

Bring all the troops home and apply the money we've been spending towards paying off our debt.
 

bill w

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seeing as they can reach alaska,hawaii and possibly california with their latest missle...i would say that they are a threat...sounds like a perfect time to cut the budget on our missle defense .......whatta dumbass!!!!and to turn it over to the un????even dumber....maybe we should send hillary to talk to them and smack their hands........
 

Alonzo Tubbs

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I simply don't understand the concern about the spread of nuclear weapons. Didn't our Beloved Leader, President Barrack Obama, tell us after the election (while he was serving in the Office of the President Elect) Iran, North Korea, Cuba and what ever in hell you call Little Hugo's playground are small countries a long way away which simply can't harm us. Could anyone doubt the sincereity or knowledge of our Beloved Leader?

How can we question the honest and peacefull intentions of North Korea's leadership? Did not the last leftist President of the USA- Lard Butt, The Coward in Chief- provide the guidance systems North Korea needed for their missles? Nay, nay I cry! It must be Bush's fault.

Brave, new world. Pakistan, India, North Korea, Iran have nukes. Little Hugo is trying to get them. Just makes you feel all fuzzy and warm, don't it?

Alonzo Tubbs, getting ready to head for Lem's cabin
 
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Kei

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I not understand why China will not deal with N. Korea. They can stomp them flat, make them a free market nation like the south and have a new trading partner to make loads of money off of with cheap consumer products.
 

XeVfTEUtaAqJHTqq

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I not understand why China will not deal with N. Korea. They can stomp them flat, make them a free market nation like the south and have a new trading partner to make loads of money off of with cheap consumer products.

Exactly! :thumb:
 

Melensdad

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They are no immediate threat to us.

seeing as they can reach alaska,hawaii and possibly california with their latest missle...i would say that they are a threat...

First off they are a marginal threat to us because they theoretically can hit our soil (not sure if they can aim them well enough to actually hit us). Second, they are a serious threat to very close trading partners (JAPAN) and if they hit Japan with a nuke then our economy will get even worse because we are very co-dependent on them for two-way trade.

If Obama is going to lay down a bunt and hand this over to the United Nations then he needs to actually LEAD THE U.N. instead of letting them take the lead. We can set the agenda at the U.N. and in this case we can probably get help from both Russia and China as this affects both of those nations too.

Or, we can just nuke the crap out of N.Korea and be done with it, its not like we can make any more enemies at the U.N. :whistling:
 

Kei

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No no you don't want to nuke N. Korea. You will kill a lot of people in the process even if you limit the nukes to small ones and target specific bases. Use those big MOABs instead.
 

fogtender

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Then to top off a good day, they launched a couple of long range missiles today without letting anyone know what they were doing...

But not to be afraid, Obama is going to "Bitch Slap" Biden for that "Obama was going to be tested" speech...

That will teach the N. K., especially that munchkin guy in charge with the hair that looks like he got a hold of a faulty hair drier while standing in a pool of water....
 

thcri

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Then to top off a good day, they launched a couple of long range missiles today without letting anyone know what they were doing...

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Yes they did send off two more and then told others to keep their ships out of the area. So more is to come.


Pyongyang also warned ships to stay away from waters off its western coast this week, a sign it may be gearing up for more missile tests, South Korea's coast guard said.
 

Doc

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So why does the U.S. have to deal with this?

It looks to me like the countries in that region have much more to lose in the short term than the U.S.

However, the second N. Korea even looks like they are actually going to threaten us then they get removed from the earth.

I'm a little sick of the US being the world police. We should pull our troops out of S. Korea, Japan, Germany, and all those other places and let them start paying their full load to defend themselves.
I agree PB. With all other nations sitting back assuming the US will come in and save the day no matter what the cost, who is the fool here? Maybe Obama's plan will work out for the better. Maybe the other nations will get off their behind and spearhead a unified action against North Korea. Well, it could happen, not saying it will happen but it could. It's way past the point of stopping their nuclear development. And if they are doing this in hopes of blackmailing us into giving them more goods they are barking up the wrong tree. We be broke, and if we have any sense at all we would not barter with them in any way at all. JMHO.
 

muleman

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I have to agree with Doc on this one. Cut off all U.S. aid going to them and let the rest of the world deal with them. We already gave enough and they make an ass out of us. Let the French and Spain and some of our so called allies step up for a change. They did not back us in the Korean war and they won't this time.
 
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