NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim World

WTF . Could someone please explain what Nasa has to do with Muslims or having them involved in any space programs ?

NASA Administrator Charles Bolden said in a recent interview that his "foremost" mission as the head of America's [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]space [COLOR=blue !important]exploration[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] agency is to improve relations with the Muslim world.
Though international diplomacy would seem well outside NASA's orbit, Bolden said in an interview with Al Jazeera that strengthening those ties was among the top tasks President Obama assigned him. He said better interaction with the Muslim world would ultimately advance space travel.
"When I became the NASA administrator -- or before I became the NASA administrator -- he charged me with three things. One was he wanted me to help re-inspire children to want to get into science and math, he wanted me to expand our international relationships, and third, and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science ... and math and engineering," Bolden said in the interview.
The NASA administrator was in the Middle East last month marking the one-year anniversary since .

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/05/nasa-chief-frontier-better-relations-muslims/

I saw this earlier today. For the life of me I do not understand what connection there is with the NASA chief and promoting the accomplishments of Muslims and having NASA work to strengthen ties with the Muslim nations.

I just don't get it.

What is the purpose?

Why not work with 3rd world nation and promote them? Or work with industrialized but non-space nations like Iceland, Sweden, Italy, Brazil or New Zealand? Then again I would not understand the purpose of doing that either, which is my point for bringing it up. There seems to be a disconnect.

Actually mathematics and engineering sciences came from that part of the world in Ancient times. I can understand the connection but think it is a bit late for that now. Even our number system is based on the Arabic system.

joec said:

Actually mathematics and engineering sciences came from that part of the world in Ancient times. I can understand the connection but think it is a bit late for that now. Even our number system is based on the Arabic system.

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Yup I am aware of what happened THOUSANDS of years ago, but I don't see any modern connection. What new (last 55 or so years) contributions have been made toward space by the Muslim nations? I pick that time frame because that is the time during which the US and the then USSR started, and undertook, the 'space race' which spawned thousands of new technologies we use today.

Actually it makes perfect sense. They can always find Mecca. And they will be in position to drop really big rocks after they been up a while.

Melensdad said:

Yup I am aware of what happened THOUSANDS of years ago, but I don't see any modern connection. What new (last 55 or so years) contributions have been made toward space by the Muslim nations? I pick that time frame because that is the time during which the US and the then USSR started, and undertook, the 'space race' which spawned thousands of new technologies we use today.

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As I said a bit late for that now. When the great engineering feats and advances in mathematics and science, all this was done before the Muslim religion existed. In my opinion that is the reason they have lagged so far behind the rest of the world a destiny that seems to wait us all when we fall pray to myth and legend.

joec said:

As I said a bit late for that now. When the great engineering feats and advances in mathematics and science, all this was done before the Muslim religion existed. In my opinion that is the reason they have lagged so far behind the rest of the world a destiny that seems to wait us all when we fall pray to myth and legend.

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Thats my point If Muslim is a religion , much like any other religions or beleifs . WTF does it have to do with Nasa ? I also dont get the ( Muslim World ) comment , I though there were Muslims all over the world . Are they supposed to be superior to Us ?

I,ve never hear the term American world allthough there are americans living all over the world . Kinda makes me wonder if it aint just cuz Obamas a self proclaimed Muslin

I wasn't aware Obama claims to be a Muslim however I have heard him say he is a Christian not that I really see much difference to me, an atheist.

Now in all seriousness religion aside I think the term Muslim is more generic meaning the Middle East since that is the center of the Muslim world much like the Western Culture is consider Christian in their religious beliefs.

joec said:

I wasn't aware Obama claims to be a Muslim however I have heard him say he is a Christian not that I really see much difference.

Now in all seriousness religion aside I think the term Muslim is more generic meaning the Middle East since that is the center of the Muslim world much like the Western Culture is consider Christian in their religious beliefs.

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Here Ya go Joe . Just count how many times he claims to be


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY"]YouTube- Obama Admits He Is A Muslim[/ame]

You know cowboy if you really listen he says basically his father was Muslim and he spent time learning that religion. Now that is like saying because my Father was a Catholic and my Mother was a Pentecostal I would at least be a Baptist or Methodist. It doesn't hold water as I was raised in several religions and find most fine for most people just not my cup of tea.

Heres an old video with another speech he gave . He dont sound like any Christian I know

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi-V_ilJu0w&feature=related"]YouTube- Obama Mocks & Attacks Jesus Christ And The Bible / Video / Obama Is Not A Christian[/ame]

Cowboy, does it bother you at all he is not Muslim and does not claim to be?

mak2 said:

Cowboy, does it bother you at all he is not Muslim and does not claim to be?

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So your saying these videos & many others out there of his speeches are just made up Mak ? Maybe I,m more confused then I thought .

I wonder if you have actually read the books of the Bible he references, Cowboy? If so you might understand what he saying in his speeches. If you base a government on the Bible how much different would it be than a government based on the Muslim faith or any other for that matter. Now I've read the Bible several times in my life as both a believer and later in life as a skeptic. I'm sure not trying to rock any ones world as if you believe in a god then so be it and more power to you. I just ask to be ruled by someone or something that uses something else to set the rules by which I have to live my life, please.

joec said:

I wonder if you have actually read the books of the Bible he references, Cowboy? If so you might understand what he saying in his speeches. If you base a government on the Bible how much different would it be than a government based on the Muslim faith or any other for that matter. Now I've read the Bible several times in my life as both a believer and later in life as a skeptic. I'm sure not trying to rock any ones world as if you believe in a god then so be it and more power to you. I just ask to be ruled by someone or something that uses something else to set the rules by which I have to live my life, please.

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Yes Joe I have as I was brought up as a devout Catholic , Was even an alter boy & my sister was a nun if any of that matters . The religion hasn,t changed but the church has quite a few years ago from what I was taught to beleive in . I quit going to church many many years ago & My sister quit being a nun & is now a what I would call a radical atheist .

Nothing wrong with that other then the fact I,m much like you & respect others beleifs & dont push mine on others as I hope they dont to me .

Not that has anything to do with the original post & I asked for opinions & others thoughts & got them , I appreciate that because I,m not up on things or as well schooled as most here these days . Most of everything I know is from the internet now & I sort it out the best I can .

Theres a lot of false information out there & maybe even the video,s that I take as fact , when I here someone make a statement could be doctered up . I honestlly dont know . But I do know at first I had high hopes for the obama administration , but the last several months I dont know what to beleive anymore .

But theres far to many things getting ignored by them & to damn many smoke screens thrown up to even make an honest opinion . I,m tired of hearing Bullshit from all of them & promises that only get us further in trouble . This topic really concerns me . Wether Obamas muslim or not I have no clue other then what I see or here . But hering him talk about it in his speaches so much makes me wonder .

Sure seems to me He,s got a lot of folks beleivin the crap though which is even scarier IMO . I did listen to damn near every speach he made before & right after he was elected & have determined for myself just in the last several months he,s one of the biggest bullshitters thats ever been in charge of running our country as well as the idiots that surround him . Hope that clears up my thoughts .

He does have a knack for putting folks in positions they have no clue about!

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But hering him talk about it in his speaches so much makes me wonder .

Sure seems to me He,s got a lot of folks beleivin the crap though which is even scarier IMO . I did listen to damn near every speach he made before & right after he was elected & have determined for myself just in the last several months he,s one of the biggest bullshitters thats ever been in charge of running our country as well as the idiots that surround him . Hope that clears up my thoughts .

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And those before him didn't pound the BS where the sun don't shine? If you believe any of them regardless of the side of the isle they come from is honest then I have a bridge I will sell you in New York. As for him admitting to being a Muslim or anything other than a Christian is suicide in this nations. Hell one state I read recently on a local level they had an ordinance against anyone running not believing in a god. Totally unconstitutional but what the hell we are talking about an area of the country know as the bible belt. For all I know he might be an atheist, Muslim, Buddhist or Taoism as it really doesn't matter to me as long as he keeps it out of ruling his thoughts on how to governs the nation.

joec said:

And those before him didn't pound the BS where the sun don't shine? If you believe any of them regardless of the side of the isle they come from is honest then I have a bridge I will sell you in New York. As for him admitting to being a Muslim or anything other than a Christian is suicide in this nations. Hell one state I read recently on a local level they had an ordinance against anyone running not believing in a god. Totally unconstitutional but what the hell we are talking about an area of the country know as the bible belt. For all I know he might be an atheist, Muslim, Buddhist or Taoism as it really doesn't matter to me as long as he keeps it out of ruling his thoughts on how to governs the nation.

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Your last sentence is what brings me back to the reason I posted this thread Joe . NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim World . WTF does nasa have to do with the muslim world . I aint real smart But I damn sure aint stupid

I have no idea either except perhaps a plan to make them feel they have worth in this world instead of destroying it. Just a guess mind you as sure haven't got a clue either, or for that matter do I know how true his statements are either. We have included those for Socialist nations, Democracies as well as many other in our space program. Perhaps it is time to send a Muslim up into space, hell I don't know if will make any difference but what could it hurt to make an offer.

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So your saying these videos & many others out there of his speeches are just made up Mak ? Maybe I,m more confused then I thought .

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These clips are taken out of context, saying there were Muslims in his family does not mean he is one. This is another one of those baseless lies I keep saying the right wing passes around all the time to stir up the RW, then you guys say no we dont. So here it is, another example.

mak2 said:

These clips are taken out of context, saying there were Muslims in his family does not mean he is one. This is another one of those baseless lies I keep saying the right wing passes around all the time to stir up the RW, then you guys say no we dont. So here it is, another example.

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Thanks for your input Mak , You may very well be correct . I allready admited I may be more confused then I thought I was & I still have no clue wether he is muslim or not . But he sure seems to talk about the Muslims more then I,ve ever heard any other American do before . Some say He is & You claim he,s not . No real proof from either side IMO . But enough for me to question his tactics .

Now back on topic . My Original question , WTF does the muslim faith or Muslim world have to do with NASA & why should this be a priority ?


BTW I,m not right or left , nor do I agree with either side on a lot of issues . I,m only questioning this one issue at the moment .

i think, in the end many many years from now, the Muslims will be assimilated, much like the Borg on star trek. Right now totalitiarian governments keep the beat down on the probably majority of their people who would much rather be golfing and having a cold one after work than kneeling to the east and not being able to give women a ride in their car. No, in the end they too will fall to materailism and hedonism. But a lot of bad things might happen in the mean time. This getting them ot work at NASA will just draw attention to how far advanced us "heathens" really are.

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i think, in the end many many years from now, the Muslims will be assimilated, much like the Borg on star trek. Right now totalitiarian governments keep the beat down on the probably majority of their people who would much rather be golfing and having a cold one after work than kneeling to the east and not being able to give women a ride in their car. No, in the end they too will fall to materailism and hedonism. But a lot of bad things might happen in the mean time. This getting them ot work at NASA will just draw attention to how far advanced us "heathens" really are.

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Interesting reply Mak , I never watched star trek & some of its over my head but I think I get the jist , Thanks

joec said:

Actually mathematics and engineering sciences came from that part of the world in Ancient times. I can understand the connection but think it is a bit late for that now. Even our number system is based on the Arabic system.

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I think that most historians would credit the Romans, Greeks, and possibly the Egyptians with the understanding of engineering and mathematics. None of which are located in that part of the world. The term algebra originates from a Muslim text, however, the Muslims never grasped the concept of negative numbers, the basis of our current math.

The Muslim religion has been around since the 1500's. Math and science much longer.
The Arabic number system we use was developed by the Hindu's long before 1500.

Barry, in his Cairo speech, credited the Muslims with the development of math. Also the pen, printing press, arches, spires, and our understanding of disease and its cure, among others. There are a lot of knowledgeable persons who would dispute these claims.

Whether or not Barry is a Muslim to me is irrelevant. He is certainly a Muslim sympathizer. I think that he is whatever he needs to be at the time.

Our government, let alone NASA, has no business worrying about the self esteem of the Muslim countries. My best guess is that Barry is just getting ready for his next milestone speech in a foreign country, where he attributes space travel to the Muslims,
Barr

I dunno, I read somewhere recently after oil, honey was muslims second biggest moneymaker. The point is after the oil thing is over, and it will be someday, the corporate power brokers wont need them anymore. They will have to play along or starve.

I still find it funny the RW is so big on SUV and burning that oil. It really does fund our enemies.

Actually you do understand that Egyptians are part of the Middle East and predated the Greeks and Romans both of which eventually took them over. The Middle east is also know as the cradle of civilization.

Now back on topic as I said perhaps it is due to this history though I tend to doubt. I figure it is more of a way to settle things down a bit. The problem with the current Middle east is the average person being powerless and totally controlled. As they say you can get more flies with honey than vinegar. My thinking is perhaps a step to bring their thinking into this century and out the 1500's. Just conjecture on my part as I've said before I'm not in the loop to make these decisions. I know the last decade thing only got worse leading up to 911. Besides Muslims are slowly but surely taking over Europe so eventually we will have to deal with them.

Joe, I just don't believe that the Muslims can be pacified since their stated goal is either the conversion or annihilation of non believers. Barring that, the only other course of action is to carry a big stick.

I do know that Egypt is considered Middle East. I was trying to point out that it was not the Muslims. You were correct in stating that part of world includes egypt. The originator of science, mathematics, architecture, and engineering largely depends on the definition. The first cave man who picked up two sticks instead of one was engaging in math. Personally, I would attribute most of our current thinking in these regards to the Greeks and Romans.

I'm not disagreeing with you Jimbo, as I said in my first post I could see the link is all based on mathematics and science. I also never stated that I agreed with it and did say it is to late in my opinion. As for Muslims they are the new kids on this block but now control the area so we are stuck with them short of another final solution.

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I still find it funny the RW is so big on SUV and burning that oil. It really does fund our enemies.

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good greif, give your partisan bullshit a rest already

ya, like godless liberals don't burn oil

oh, I forgot.....those trucking companies that ship food and other essential goods around the country are all owned by the RW-- keep on truck'in

Lighten up, Francis.