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Default Making a 443 from a 442 project

It’s tough to figure out where to start. My buddy Dave had wanted a steel track Tucker since I’ve known him. There was one for sale in Colton, NY by our camp several years ago, but I just thought he was nuts. So many parts = so many problems. (And still may be!!) I told him he was out of his mind and I wasn’t jumping on his loony wagon!

Five years pass and my kids are now at an age (7 & 9) where they can enjoy the winter outside on their own. Another buddy of ours sends me a link for a 5 man 252 Ski-dozer that is being sold by a religious camp up in Maine. Now this gets my wheels turning thinking that it would be great to utilize our camp all thru the winter, not just one special weekend trip in February to X-C ski and snowshoe. All of a sudden I’m the one that is looking around for snow cats. I try to find info on the Ski-dozer (which is out of my price range anyway) and cross paths with this forum. I proceed to lurk for a year just reading and taking it all in.

Dave must have planted the Tucker seed in my head all of those years ago because I’m being drawn back to them over & over. And with Cook’s only a state over, help’s not too far away. Then it happens. Stu (Mtn-Track) decides to show details of his Tucker: ‘An Old Cat’s Tail’. Well that was the kick in the ass I needed to really start looking. In December 2010 I buy from Stu the last two brand new 400 series pontoons made. Since he switched to the 1500 series tracks, he didn’t need them. Now realize I don’t even own a sno-cat of any type at this point. I’m just going on the assumption that whatever I find will probably need help on at least two of the pontoons.

Forward to August 2011. I’ve been looking pretty hard for something in my price range that’s close. There is even a Tucker 442 in an old museum near me that I was working on acquiring, but the eccentric old coot will probably let the building collapse (literally) around it instead of selling it to be used again (we’ll see what happens with that in the future). I just happened to check Craig’s List for Tuckers one hot sunny day. Now I’m already thinking that I’m going to have to retrieve something from several states away if something is listed. A 1967 442 pops up in Groveland, MA only about 30 miles from where I work for $3500. I call and set up a time to go look at it. It’s dirty and has some issues, but for the money it’s ok. The previous owner bought a group of 4 as a package deal from Pat’s Peak in NH; three 442’s and one 443. He has a camp in Maine twenty miles off the main trail corridor. His family and the other 10 families that have camps in the area wanted the local snowmobile club (of which they were all members) to groom just once a month out to their location. The club wouldn’t do it. They bought an Alpine, but kept having troubles with it. So the Tuckers were purchased. One was immediately designated the primary groomer (the one I bought) and all of the best parts from the others were put on this machine so they could groom with limited issues. The 443 also received a total restore and was run for a few years, before someone stole it off the trail after they had left for the weekend. It still hasn’t been found. The 442 worked for a couple more years then in 2009 was brought back to Mass to be replaced with a Tucker 1000. So, when I bought it, it hadn’t run in a couple of years. But it did drive onto the trailer under its own power. So I wasn’t too worried about the old flathead.
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Now, a 442 is nice, but you sure are limited for passengers. So this mild restoration (compared to Mtn-Track, Weatherby, dlmorindds, etc) will involve modifying the platform to a 443 while going thru everything top to bottom so I can hopefully get another 30 years out of it. But it’s going to take a while. The tough thing is having kids that are now 9 & 11 and all of the extracurricular activities they bring to the table that take precious time. And my ‘garage’ is full of wood, dirt bikes, etc., so there is no room to work on it after work at the house. Luckily, where I work has several maintenance bays that I can use. It’s just going to be a matter of finding free weekends to work on it and having everything in place to utilize the time!
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A LOT of trips up and down the mountain:
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Nice looking Cat !!

Sounds like a great project.
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I didn't even want to start it since it had been sitting for 2-3 years. So we hooked the pindal to a tree with a chain and just pulled it off of the trailer. I put in a new battery, pulled the plugs and added a touch of Marvel Mystery. I let that sit for a day, then came back and spun it over with the fuel line disconnected before the fuel pump. The fuel stunk to high heavens, so glad I didn't try to start it. It was free spinning and with no odd noises. Once the bad gas was out, I dumped in 2 gallons of acetone and sloshed it around a couple of times a day for 2 days. I drained that out, dumped in 5 fresh gallons w/ some Sea Foam added, and primed the fuel pump and carb. Hit the key and after about three seconds it fires up and goes into a rough idle (because of the mystery oil). She smokes for a few minutes, clears out, and then purrs like a kitten. I was psyched!
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Just before Halloween we got 20 inches of heavy, wet snow. The only problem was that power was knocked out everywhere. By the time I got my yard cleared of trees and other stuff I had to take care of, it was three days later. But that wasn't going to deter me. I had never riden in a sno-cat, let alone driven one. And since this would be the only chance I got before tearing it down, two inches was going to have to do! I had to have some baseline at least to compare how it is now to what it ends up being. So around the parking lot I went.
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Default Re: Making a 443 from a 442 project

Who? What? Blame ME will ya'!

Oh well, at least the blame doesn't cost me any cash,,, at least not yet.....

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The only problem with tinkering on it at work is that I need to park it out back. And that is roughly 150 yards across a paved parking lot to get to the garage. So the Pontoons had to come off and wheels had to go on. I finally got a free Sunday where I could get the job done. Of course, because of Murphy and his Law, the first one I attempt to take off gives me the most trouble. Never having removed a pontoon before, I thought I had missed something. After cussing for half an hour and prying like crazy, I move to the next one to see if it's cleaner so I can find the issue. I remove all of the nuts, give a good yank and it slides right off. I go back to the first one and proceed to give it another good round of beatings and it finally gives up. The last two slid just as easy as the second.
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Apparently the right front inside grease nipple was too difficult to reach . . .
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Dave,

I'm looking forward to your build!

You "broke the code" on the wheels and tires thing. Much easier to move around and another (big) benefit is it allows much better under cat access.
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Anyone have any idea as to where he updates I made Friday went? Or the question on best one time grease when reassembling my steel tracks??
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Anyone have any idea as to where he updates I made Friday went? Or the question on best one time grease when reassembling my steel tracks??
You need to read the first post in this thread below Dave. The forum had a major crash the other day And Doc was able to save it luckilly, but there were several new posts lost.

http://www.forumsforums.com/3_9/showthread.php?t=52820
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Thanks- I'll reload tomorrow!

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To reload Thursdays upload-

I started the disassembly of the first track. I'm already sick of cotterpins. Crap there's a lot of them. And some of the rollers are in dire need of attention (thank goodness I got some of Muley180's).

I'm sure the tracks originally came with some sort of lube from the factory, but that was probably gone after a thousand miles. And that was nine thousand ago! So, I wanted to get everything apart to clean and lube prior to putting them back on the cat. Also with all of that metal on metal action squeeking like crazy, being amplified by big steel drums, this should quiet down the machine quite a bit. So, after a trip thru the sandblaster, a coating of POR-15, and some grease I'll start putting it all back together.
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Sorry for crappy cell phone pictures. All I had with me that day. What's the friction coeffecient of rust dust?
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A trip thru the blaster . . .
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A question I asked on Thursday that got deleted was inquiring about the best lube when putting this back together. Dirt won't be a factor (other than windblown sand & dust). I am looking for a lube that will last a long time because this is damn sure the last time it will be fully apart like this (at least by me).

So, if you posted up recommendations before, could you please do so again?

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champion road machinery made a circle lube for their graders went on like paint wore good also wont colect dirt volvo bought them out check with a local equipment dealer see what they have
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Default Since the database has been repaired . . .

. . . I guess I'll give an update.

Tracks.
I have worked myself into quite a conundrum. As you can see in the prior posts, I completely disassembled the tracks to check for issues and to reapply grease that has been missing for the past 40 years (I’m assuming the lube held for the first three years). There is no doubt that it needed to be done and should knock the noise WAY down.
Now that everything (from the first track) is sandblasted, cleaned, coated with POR-15 (more on this later) and rollers checked and completely greased, I’m to the step of reassembly. Now at first glance this may not seem like such a problem, right? ‘Just look at the other three tracks that are together and rebuild them the same way’. There’s only one teeny tiny problem. Every track cross bar and every connector link have worn together to work with the one it’s hooked to. Just like your feet and your favorite pair of slippers. Well the problem I’ve created is now I have no way of knowing where the matching ‘feet & slippers’ are. One third of my connectors are worn, but the bar is flat, which means the outside to outside distance on the pins is 3 1/2 inches. One third have had the bars arched slightly to make the distance roughly 3 7/16th inches to compensate for wear and the last third are arched slightly more to measure around 3 3/8th inches.
Now those 16ths may not sound like much, but depending on which way you mix them it could be like your kid wearing your shoes, or you trying to cram into ballerina slippers . And having it the wrong way will create excessive wear on parts that may as well be made out of unobtainium. All of the rollers need to be ‘wear corrected’ to 3.5” to hit the sprocket valleys perfectly each time.
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