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Halloween

daedong

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As you probably are all aware Halloween is not traditionally celebrated in Australia so only just now have I looked up its origin. My question is why does such a strong religious nation celebrate a pagan practice?
 

Durwood RIP

Gone But Not Forgotten
As you probably are all aware Halloween is not traditionally celebrated in Australia so only just now have I looked up its origin. My question is why does such a strong religious nation celebrate a pagan practice?

Good question, i also wonder why we have the easter bunny on the day Christ rose from the dead. Plus Christmas break in schools now is not called Christmas break but rather winter break. This country isn't really what it used to be, and pretty much everyone here has rights unless you are a Christian. The liberal courts have taken away our rights and God has been thrown out of school. But as soon as as tragety happens in a school they all scream "where was God to let this happen", but they forget he wasn't allowed in there. You reap what you sow has never been so true as it is now.
 

Bobcat

Je Suis Charlie Hebdo
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http://www.americancatholic.org/Features/Halloween/

Halloween’s Christian Roots

When you think of Halloween, what comes to mind? For a lot of people, Halloween has become synonymous with candy, costumes, scary stuff, witches, ghosts and pumpkins. But do you know the Christian connection to the holiday?

The true origins of Halloween lie with the ancient Celtic tribes who lived in Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Brittany. For the Celts, November 1 marked the beginning of a new year and the coming of winter. The night before the new year, they celebrated the festival of Samhain, Lord of the Dead. During this festival, Celts believed the souls of the dead—including ghosts, goblins and witches—returned to mingle with the living. In order to scare away the evil spirits, people would wear masks and light bonfires.

When the Romans conquered the Celts, they added their own touches to the Samhain festival, such as making centerpieces out of apples and nuts for Pomona, the Roman goddess of the orchards. The Romans also bobbed for apples and drank cider—traditions which may sound familiar to you. But where does the Christian aspect of the holiday come into play? In 835, Pope Gregory IV moved the celebration for all the martyrs (later all saints) from May 13 to November 1. The night before became known as All Hallow’s Even or “holy evening.” Eventually the name was shortened to the current Halloween. On November 2, the Church celebrates All Souls Day.

The purpose of these feasts is to remember those who have died, whether they are officially recognized by the Church as saints or not. It is a celebration of the “communion of saints,” which reminds us that the Church is not bound by space or time.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church says that through the communion of saints “a perennial link of charity exists between the faithful who have already reached their heavenly home, those who are expiating their sins in purgatory and those who are still pilgrims on earth. Between them there is, too, an abundant exchange of all good things” (#1475).

Carving the Turnip?

Many of the customs we now associate with Halloween are also derived from ancient celebrations.

For example, the current custom of going door-to-door to collect treats actually started in Ireland hundreds of years ago. Groups of farmers would go door-to-door collecting food and materials for a village feast and bonfire. Those who gave were promised prosperity; those who did not received threats of bad luck. When an influx of Irish Catholic immigrants came to the United States in the 1800s, the custom of trick-or-treating came with them.

Does your family carve a pumpkin to place on your porch for Halloween? If so, then you can once again thank the Irish for the tradition. Actually, the custom began with a turnip. People would hollow out the turnips and place lighted candles inside to scare off the evil spirits. When the Irish came to America, they discovered the pumpkin as a larger substitute for the turnip. And so, we now carve pumpkins instead of turnips for Halloween.

The Tale of the Jack-o'-lantern

So now you know why we carve pumpkins instead of turnips, but why do we call them jack-o’-lanterns? The name actually comes from the legend of an Irishman named Jack who was forced to roam the earth with only a burning coal inside a pumpkin to light his way because he had never performed a single selfless act throughout his life. Read the whole story behind the custom.

Even though Halloween may seem like a very secular holiday, and in many ways it has become so, there are distinctly Christian aspects to the holiday that you and your family can celebrate. Happy Halloween!
 

thcri

Gone But Not Forgotten
We don't celebrate it. Oh we have candy for the neighbor kids but our kids never really ever went out themselves. We also told our kids there was no such thing as Santa Claus either. My kids are doing just fine.


murph
 

Ice Queen

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No one really celebrates Halloween over here in Wales or in the parts of England that I have lived in. There is no trick or treating here, pity I love dressing up and had sweets ready for any stray trick or treaters last year, but no one came. I'll be thinking of you all wandering around all dressed up. I have a wax pumpkin with a candle in, but I have never lit it as I don't want it to melt, but I may remember and put it in my new porch, if I do, I don't know how I will illuminate it! NOT going to risk it melting!!
 

jwstewar

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We don't celebrate it. Oh we have candy for the neighbor kids but our kids never really ever went out themselves. We also told our kids there was no such thing as Santa Claus either. My kids are doing just fine.


murph

What do you mean there is no such thing as Santa Claus?:confused::huh::ohmy::4_11_9::cry::cry:
 

pirate_girl

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No one really celebrates Halloween over here in Wales or in the parts of England that I have lived in. There is no trick or treating here, pity I love dressing up and had sweets ready for any stray trick or treaters last year, but no one came. I'll be thinking of you all wandering around all dressed up. I have a wax pumpkin with a candle in, but I have never lit it as I don't want it to melt, but I may remember and put it in my new porch, if I do, I don't know how I will illuminate it! NOT going to risk it melting!!
When I lived in West Yorkshire, we celebrated Halloween, Anita.. although Steven told me that it had only started fairly recently at that time.
He blamed "you gd American's" for bringing such silly practices over there.:smile::tongue:
 

Glink

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As you probably are all aware Halloween is not traditionally celebrated in Australia so only just now have I looked up its origin. My question is why does such a strong religious nation celebrate a pagan practice?

Oh come on Vin; you did not think this one through. You are just too quick to try and criticize religion and our Christian beginnings, that you missed the easy answer.

Just like mother's day, father's day, and any other gift/card giving day.

It's a money thing.
 

Av8r3400

Gone Flyin'
As you probably are all aware Halloween is not traditionally celebrated in Australia so only just now have I looked up its origin. My question is why does such a strong religious nation celebrate a pagan practice?


It is also know in the 'Western' Catholic Church as All Hallows Eve or the day before the two holy days of All Saints Day (November 1st) and All Souls Day (November 2nd).

So, it is not just Celtic (pagan) but also a Catholic holy day (holiday). In days of old, people would "party up" prior to having to crack down on a holy day. Hence things like Halloween and Mardi Gras.
 
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