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Default J5 rear wheel hub seal problem

I changed seals a few years ago on my Bomardier J5. I found water in my rear hub so I pulled the tracks to inspect the seals. It appears that seal has been rubbing on the inner shoulder spindle mount. It's like the spacing is off a 1/8" or so. The other side rear wheel is in a similar condition too and one middle tire too. When I installed the seals in the hub I tapped them in flush to the hub face. Should I have tapped them in so they were recessed in an 1/8" farther in? Or could my spacer / wet rings be the wrong length? If I get new longer spacers I will need to drill another hole in the spindle for the cotter key and castle nut because no more room on spindle. Both rear spindles are 4 1/4" long. So nothing unusual there. Anyone know what's going on?
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I changed seals a few years ago on my Bomardier J5. I found water in my rear hub so I pulled the tracks to inspect the seals. It appears that seal has been rubbing on the inner shoulder spindle mount. It's like the spacing is off a 1/8" or so. The other side rear wheel is in a similar condition too and one middle tire too. When I installed the seals in the hub I tapped them in flush to the hub face. Should I have tapped them in so they were recessed in an 1/8" farther in? Or could my spacer / wet rings be the wrong length? If I get new longer spacers I will need to drill another hole in the spindle for the cotter key and castle nut because no more room on spindle. Both rear spindles are 4 1/4" long. So nothing unusual there. Anyone know what's going on?

Why does your mud ring look so thick? Normally they are stamped metal that looks machined and thicker

Here is a picture I just took the mud ring is .080 stamped steel. The seal ring (we call wedding bands ) which is heat treated and hardened is I'd 1.5 to slide over axle od 1.875 for seal lip and .685 high
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Here is a assembled picture ( just the loose parts not on machine )

I should note that the seal ring is what positions the back tapered roller bearing
It really looks like someone has made a part for yours all one piece?
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It's the rear wheel. The adjustment wheel. The spindle that slides up and down the walking beam for track adjustment. I bought both walking beams and one of these slider spindles from you a few years ago
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Remember? That was your idea to use a hex drive socket head to hold the clamping bolts captive in my first photo
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Old and newer style
You have the old style that is the narrow ring also came in two OD
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Rear wheel spindle assembly. This spindle is 4.25" long. The forward and middle wheel spindles are 4.5" long. I have the narrow wedding ring on the rear spindle now in the photo.
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I have 6 new seals ready to install purchased at Prinoth. all the same 5/16" thick
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Here is the two style wedding Rings I have. The thinner 7/16" goes on the rear wheel and the thicker 11/16" wedding ring goes on the middle and forward wheels.
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Default Re: J5 rear wheel hub seal problem

Just to Finnish this up for anybody following, like I mentioned to IMP,
It is possible to put to much pressure on the rear wheel seal by putting to much grease in the wheel from the front grease zerk. Especially with these new battery powered guns a person kind of looses track of time.

I have seen rear seals completely blown out on the wheels before. Also have seen very small holes drilled into the seals flat surface (1/32") to allow excess grease to flow out the back and not blow the seal.

And also have see the seals in backwards so the water stays out but the grease
Can flow out from the hub

Anyway good luck on the hunt and of course post us some pictures when you
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Thanks for all the help Brad. The wedding band wheel spacer cut went well, reassembling things now. I will try and restrain myself from my over greasyness ways this time around. Track removal / installation is NOT my favorite pastime!
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