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Obama opposes reparations for slavery

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Obama opposes reparations for slavery

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama opposes offering reparations to the descendants of slaves, putting him at odds with some black groups and leaders.
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The man with a serious chance to become the nation's first black president argues that government should instead combat the legacy of slavery by improving schools, health care and the economy for all.

Obama has worked to be seen as someone who will bring people together, not divide them into various interest groups with checklists of demands.
 
RedRocker

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The best thing the government could do for education and the so called "legacy" of slavery as well as the economy is stay the hell out of our business.
 
thcri

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Ok let me get this straight, did we just not read where Obama Endorses reparations for the American Indians? But the black people he opposes? Wishy Washy if you ask me.
 
daedong

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RedRocker said:
The best thing the government could do for education and the so called "legacy" of slavery as well as the economy is stay the hell out of our business.
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Why do you choose to live in a country that has big Government if you despise it so much.

Chris, Education is a far better way than handouts I believe. We keep giving hand outs to our aboriginals, the more you give the more they want, the less they do.
 
daedong

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AW I asked the question of redRocker not you, I consider your post "DRIBBLE" this post is in Debate and Discussion and I fail to see your humour.
 
Cityboy

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daedong said:
We keep giving hand outs to our aboriginals, the more you give the more they want, the less they do.
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Vin,

We keep giving handouts to Blacks and Native Americans, and just like the Aboriginals, the more you give the more they want, the less they do. That is how you completely defeat a people, by putting them on the government dole. This is saddening and disheartening to me for two reasons. One, I am of a strong Cherokee lineage, one of the Native American tribes of the Southeastern U.S. These were an educated tribe reduced to begging by my own government. Second, by my government putting our Black citizens on the dole in large numbers, we created a monster so big I don't know if we will ever get it under control. Don't get me wrong; there are many millions of productive, self supporting black people in the U.S., but at the same time, there are even more on the dole, breeding the thug lifestyle with single mothers who get paid by the child by our government here. More children = more free money. It is an endless loop of misery. Too often, these children become human predators, mainly preying upon their own kind, but occaisionally spilling over into mainstream society. I blame my own government for the demise of both Blacks and Native Americans because when you take away a demographic groups will by giving them their subsistence, you create dependancy. When you create dependency, you create idleness. When you create idleness, you create crime.

Now, before some self-righteous member steps in and tells me how people should be self sufficient and responsible for their own actions..blah, blah, blah...Know that I understand that. But you need to understand if our government had not created this situation of government dependency - which is the equivalent of social heroin© - ( Social Heroin©; Copyright, Cityboy, 2008) - then we would not be having this discussion in the first place.
 
RedRocker

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daedong said:
Why do you choose to live in a country that has big Government if you despise it so much.

Chris, Education is a far better way than handouts I believe. We keep giving hand outs to our aboriginals, the more you give the more they want, the less they do.
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Well sir, in spite of our out of control government, we still have the best deal going. Like just about all governments, ours has gotten out of hand and gone way beyond it's original intent when it comes to running the show. Unfortunately people that get a little power tend to become intoxicated by it and get carried away. We need a good house cleaning, but I don't see it happening in my lifetime. BTW, I don't despise our government, they pretty much screw up everything they touch though.
 
RedRocker

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BTW, I believe the term is "drivel", dribble is something babies have
on their chins. As far as anyones post being drivel, you might want
to re read some of yours. :poke:
 
thcri

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From CityGirls Post Obama Endorses Reparations.

Now before you jump all over me I did not read the whole thing. I was only asking did we not read the opposite previously as I thought I glanced over it. I am only making a comment as to did we read something on this before.



"I personally would want to see our tragic history, or the tragic elements of our history, acknowledged," the Democratic presidential hopeful said.
"I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it's Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds." Obama, who appeared tired in his first major appearance since returning Saturday from a 10-day trip abroad, met with a receptive audience at the Chicago convention. Some journalists had waited three hours for the 40-minute appearance.
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CityGirl's Hawaian reporter and Associated press are writing up the same event.


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not just offer words, but offer deeds
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and asks Reparations? She's asking a question, maybe she wants more information, but it can be read like she's reached a conclusion and is making a statement.


Associated Press reported the same speech, titled the article Obama opposes reparations for slavery, and pointed out that he is standing up to oppose those who advocate reparations for blacks.

Pressed for his position on apologizing to blacks or offering reparations, Obama said he was more interested in taking action to help people struggling to get by.

Because many of them are minorities, he said, that would help the same people who would stand to benefit from reparations.

One reparations advocate, Vernellia Randall, a law professor at the University of Dayton, bluntly responded: "I think he's dead wrong."
She said aid to the poor in general won't close the gaps — poor blacks would still trail poor whites, and middle-class blacks would still lag behind middle-class whites. Instead, assistance must be aimed directly at the people facing the after-effects of slavery and Jim Crow laws, she said.
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The article also cites his opposition to demands for reparations made by NAACP and Urban League. Those discussions are too wordy to quote here; read the article I cited describing his speech for the specifics.

So the answer to Citygirl assuming she is asking about reparations to blacks today for slavery in the past - the answer to her question is No. Obama has clearly stated he opposes this.

Ok, we answered the question. Next issue?
 
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Cityboy said:
Vin,

We keep giving handouts to Blacks and Native Americans, and just like the Aboriginals, the more you give the more they want, the less they do. That is how you completely defeat a people, by putting them on the government dole. This is saddening and disheartening to me for two reasons. One, I am of a strong Cherokee lineage, one of the Native American tribes of the Southeastern U.S. These were an educated tribe reduced to begging by my own government. Second, by my government putting our Black citizens on the dole in large numbers, we created a monster so big I don't know if we will ever get it under control. Don't get me wrong; there are many millions of productive, self supporting black people in the U.S., but at the same time, there are even more on the dole, breeding the thug lifestyle with single mothers who get paid by the child by our government here. More children = more free money. It is an endless loop of misery. Too often, these children become human predators, mainly preying upon their own kind, but occaisionally spilling over into mainstream society. I blame my own government for the demise of both Blacks and Native Americans because when you take away a demographic groups will by giving them their subsistence, you create dependancy. When you create dependency, you create idleness. When you create idleness, you create crime.

Now, before some self-righteous member steps in and tells me how people should be self sufficient and responsible for their own actions..blah, blah, blah...Know that I understand that. But you need to understand if our government had not created this situation of government dependency - which is the equivalent of social heroin© - ( Social Heroin©; Copyright, Cityboy, 2008) - then we would not be having this discussion in the first place.
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Gasp, cough, cough...weeeeezzzeeee..... Well said!

My Great Grandmother was Cherokee and my Great Grandfather was a white Army scout of German background, that was hired to guide them to Oklahoma during the "Trail of Tears", he ran off with her, her brother and mother and went to Oregon to live where Indains as whites at the time did pretty well together. If they had caught him at the time, they would have hanged him.

You are right, too many of the "Races" prey on there own people, look at what the Rev. Jackson and Sharpton do to keep in power, constantly belittling the black man, they never praise those that are great. They view a sucessfull black as some kind of traitor...pretty sad. They call Rice and Powell names as if they were traitors. Even a staple like Peanut Butter was invented by a black man, nobody brags him up and the list goes on...

Obama, I have no clue to what his take is on it since he doesn't come from any slave history other than his wife's side, unless his family line sold blacks into slavery from the Africian side to the slave traders, which was pretty common back then, which again is a race doing harm to it's own. (And no, I don't know for a fact that his family line did sell other blacks into slavery, but it was in fact a common dealing in the 1600's to the 1800's in Africa of the Coastal Tribes capturing inland Blacks and selling them).
 
RedRocker

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Social Heroin!!

Cityboy said:
Vin,

We keep giving handouts to Blacks and Native Americans, and just like the Aboriginals, the more you give the more they want, the less they do. That is how you completely defeat a people, by putting them on the government dole. This is saddening and disheartening to me for two reasons. One, I am of a strong Cherokee lineage, one of the Native American tribes of the Southeastern U.S. These were an educated tribe reduced to begging by my own government. Second, by my government putting our Black citizens on the dole in large numbers, we created a monster so big I don't know if we will ever get it under control. Don't get me wrong; there are many millions of productive, self supporting black people in the U.S., but at the same time, there are even more on the dole, breeding the thug lifestyle with single mothers who get paid by the child by our government here. More children = more free money. It is an endless loop of misery. Too often, these children become human predators, mainly preying upon their own kind, but occaisionally spilling over into mainstream society. I blame my own government for the demise of both Blacks and Native Americans because when you take away a demographic groups will by giving them their subsistence, you create dependancy. When you create dependency, you create idleness. When you create idleness, you create crime.

Now, before some self-righteous member steps in and tells me how people should be self sufficient and responsible for their own actions..blah, blah, blah...Know that I understand that. But you need to understand if our government had not created this situation of government dependency - which is the equivalent of social heroin© - ( Social Heroin©; Copyright, Cityboy, 2008) - then we would not be having this discussion in the first place.
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I tell ya what Cityboy, that about sums it up as well as anything I've ever read. Social heroin, now that's dead on.
 
Cityboy

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So the answer to Citygirl assuming she is asking about reparations to blacks today for slavery in the past - the answer to her question is No. Obama has clearly stated he opposes this.

Ok, we answered the question. Next issue?
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Ah, but was the question really answered firmly one way or the other? From your citation:

Pressed for his position on apologizing to blacks or offering reparations, Obama said he was more interested in taking action to help people struggling to get by.

Because many of them are minorities, he said, that would help the same people who would stand to benefit from reparations.
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OK, this sounds reasonable, however, one must also inquire what "taking action" means. Does this mean more social welfare? Does this mean shifting even more of the U.S. population onto public assistance? This could be considered a backdoor form of reparations in which the social welfare system; primarily funding minority housholds; is enlarged to some extent.

Also from your cited article:

Let's not be naive. Sen. Obama is running for president of the United States, and so he is in a constant battle to save his political life," said Kibibi Tyehimba, co-chair of the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America. "In light of the demographics of this country, I don't think it's realistic to expect him to do anything other than what he's done."
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What Mr. Tyehimba seems to be inferring here is that in order to get elected, Obama is simply saying what he has to say in order to get elected. The greater implication is that once elected, Obama will pay back the NAACP for their support by reopening the reparations discussion to possible legislation.

To be fair, I admit I am making assumptions and reading between the lines....but we all understand that is the way of politics. Personally, I would love to see a president who would actually put the good of the nation above his or her political party. I also admit I am extremely prejudiced against Democrats given their propensity to turn the nation more and more Socialist. But, let's make sure everyone understands I will not hesitate to verbally bitch-slap a Republican who violates my principles of human rights and economics.
 
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Cityboy, those are fair questions.

I think this guy represents the next generation. He's aware of the screechy feminists, J Jackson, and Rev Wright, but he feels (like I do) that those advocates represent the past and he would like to be the beginning of the next generation in American politics.

The article says he is firmly resisting the demands of those black-only advocates mentioned in that article, and instead saying that a rising tide lifts all the boats. Emphasis: He's not Jesse Jackson! His hope for progress in America is much broader.

I think the improvements he proposes emphasize education and not adding more people to public assistance. He's not really an advocate for the public assistance segment of the population, he sees his interest as what's best for all Americans.

Slightly off topic: some here fear a radical transformation if Obama gets elected. Forget it. A president proposes legislation for Congress to enact. The elected representatives can tie his hands if they aren't inspired by his proposals. I think Obama will be an inspiration to move things forward, but he doesn't have the freedom to act unilaterally if Congress doesn't like what it hears.
 
RedRocker

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Obama has zero history of "moving things forward", being the most far left member of congress, his brief history shows otherwise. How does anyone think the most radical lefty is going to bring all of us together? President Bush is nowhere near what I would call a real conservative and the left hates his guts. Obama may be a lot of things, but don't kid yourself thinking he'll bring us all together, he'll widen the gap by miles.
 
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California..... Obama will be an inspiration ????m to whom??? he can't get out of the way of his own stupid remarks let alone inspire any leadership from our divided senate and congress. Hell I don't think he will be inspiring his base if his mouth keeps spewing his nonsese on the fuel crisis and the economy.... yeah he's inspiring..... to put this country in the toilet and flush us into third world status.
 
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