Forums Forums - Off Topic Forum FUN




Go Back   Forums Forums - Off Topic Forum FUN > Snow Trac ST4, Kristi, Thiokol/LMC, Tucker, Bombardier & Other Snowcat Discussions > Snowcat Adventure & Usage Forum

Snowcat Adventure & Usage Forum Snow Trac, Kristi, Thickol/LMC, Tucker, Bombardier stories & discussions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02-09-2018, 01:42 PM
Cidertom's Avatar
Cidertom Cidertom is offline
Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Benton County, Oregon, USA
Posts: 791
Thanks: 408
Thanked 713 Times in 295 Posts
Cidertom is on a distinguished road
Default Radios, frequencies and such

A few posts recently about radios and use have me a bit concerned. While you can buy these really cheap and easy to use radios from ebay/amazon/? Just because you can buy them doesn't make them legal. Federal law prohibits the sale or use of "front panel" programmable radios with very few exceptions. FCC enforcement actions are happening, and import restrictions are being increased.

Why? Well most frequencies are licensed to specific users in each geographical area. The idea is that someone with the equipment/software/knowledge to program radios would also have the knowledge to obtain the appropriate licenses to use frequencies.

Reality is: If you have a license for a specific frequency and program it into your radio, most likely no one would ever say anything. The issue comes in when people don't have a license and use the frequency anyway. Several of the preprogrammed frequencies in the most common Bao* radio are public safety frequencies. Police, fire etc. Program them with GMRS/ FRS and no one will ever care. But please don't use licensed frequencies unless you hold that license.

Perhaps some group would like to take the lead and obtain nationwide itinerant licenses for us to share as "snocatradio".

CT
Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Cidertom For This Useful Post:
100MPH (02-09-2018), KickerM (02-09-2018), Melensdad  (02-09-2018), Patroller (04-01-2018), Pontoon Princess (02-10-2018), sno-drifter (02-09-2018)
  #2  
Old 02-09-2018, 05:53 PM
topwelder44 topwelder44 is offline
Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 452
Thanks: 0
Thanked 230 Times in 119 Posts
topwelder44 is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Radios, frequencies and such

y do we need radios ?
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to topwelder44 For This Useful Post:
sno-drifter (02-09-2018)
  #3  
Old 02-09-2018, 05:57 PM
Cidertom's Avatar
Cidertom Cidertom is offline
Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Benton County, Oregon, USA
Posts: 791
Thanks: 408
Thanked 713 Times in 295 Posts
Cidertom is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Radios, frequencies and such

Quote:
Originally Posted by topwelder44 View Post
y do we need radios ?
At big gatherings it is frequently easier to communicate to all via a radio than otherwise. Also for some of our area cell is spotty at best. coordination, help, convoy etc.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Cidertom For This Useful Post:
Pontoon Princess (02-10-2018)
  #4  
Old 02-09-2018, 06:52 PM
PJL's Avatar
PJL PJL is offline
Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Western Washington
Posts: 586
Thanks: 580
Thanked 535 Times in 227 Posts
PJL is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Radios, frequencies and such

I'm with Cider on this one. Here is the FCC's take on personal radio services. FRS and low power GMRS channels are your best bet.
https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides...-keeping-touch
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to PJL For This Useful Post:
Pontoon Princess (02-10-2018), sno-drifter (02-09-2018)
  #5  
Old 02-10-2018, 12:29 PM
topwelder44 topwelder44 is offline
Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 452
Thanks: 0
Thanked 230 Times in 119 Posts
topwelder44 is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Radios, frequencies and such

ok---- so stay away from government------go buy some hunting radios------I have 3 airplanes and will not get my license sometimes people just need to say no just sayin----how about this one ----here in ny. law states atv must be registered. but there are no legal trails to ride on---yes we ride them here ---but talking with the forest ranger they are only legal on your own land and have to b registered ----so again stay away from the government just do your own thing-----o ya ny state sure loves wheelers when we r on a search for a missing person----or when you take your killer big tire rzr in a swamp to bring out the dead guy on the hood like a dead deer
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to topwelder44 For This Useful Post:
4TrackCat (02-11-2018), Pontoon Princess (02-10-2018)
  #6  
Old 02-10-2018, 06:17 PM
Patroller's Avatar
Patroller Patroller is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Bessemer, MI
Posts: 36
Thanks: 95
Thanked 142 Times in 30 Posts
Patroller is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Radios, frequencies and such

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cidertom View Post

Reality is: If you have a license for a specific frequency and program it into your radio, most likely no one would ever say anything. The issue comes in when people don't have a license and use the frequency anyway. Several of the preprogrammed frequencies in the most common Bao* radio are public safety frequencies. Police, fire etc. Program them with GMRS/ FRS and no one will ever care. But please don't use licensed frequencies unless you hold that license.

Perhaps some group would like to take the lead and obtain nationwide itinerant licenses for us to share as "snocatradio".

CT
I agree with all you mention on the subject. And it would be great if we had an itinerant license. Fortunately, most of the remote areas where rides take place have no interfering users when using the pre-programmed radios and simply changing channels can avoid conflicts.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Patroller For This Useful Post:
4TrackCat (02-11-2018), Pontoon Princess (02-10-2018)
  #7  
Old 02-10-2018, 11:28 PM
Cidertom's Avatar
Cidertom Cidertom is offline
Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Benton County, Oregon, USA
Posts: 791
Thanks: 408
Thanked 713 Times in 295 Posts
Cidertom is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Radios, frequencies and such

One problem I have had to chase down twice: The unlicensed radio is on the input frequency for a repeater. No one on those radios hears any chatter as the licensed units were also handhelds and a several miles away. But, the repeater hears them and rebroadcasts them. Jamming the legal users.

I don't want this to get bogged down in us-them-gov't but I am trying to provide some information to keep folks in the clear. What we, as a group, don't need is someone tracking interference to us. Even worse, what if someone tracked a "jammer" down to a cat with a sheriffs ID on it...

While groups and companies are prohibited from owning high power GMRS licenses. We can have use of those frequencies. My "family" can call Jinn's "family" legally. And to be honest, no one is going to check licenses on those frequencies.

You as individuals can do as you see fit, but I think if/when we are doing things as a group (whichever group that may be) this is one item everyone needs to feel OK with.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Cidertom For This Useful Post:
jim slagle  (02-11-2018), Patroller (04-01-2018), Pontoon Princess (02-10-2018)
  #8  
Old 02-11-2018, 09:52 AM
JimVT's Avatar
JimVT JimVT is offline
Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Enumclaw WA.
Posts: 3,472
Thanks: 4
Thanked 1,228 Times in 594 Posts
JimVT is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Radios, frequencies and such

when out i use 2 meter and if talking a lot we switch to a simplex frequency .we have our ham license and several radios in our cats but on a search mission we use a channel all the cops have. gmrs is used by our snowmobile club and i have used it often.
__________________
Jim KF7RiN
#185 snow trac
2004 pistenbully canyon
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to JimVT For This Useful Post:
4TrackCat (02-11-2018), Northcoast (02-11-2018)
  #9  
Old 04-01-2018, 04:24 AM
Patroller's Avatar
Patroller Patroller is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Bessemer, MI
Posts: 36
Thanks: 95
Thanked 142 Times in 30 Posts
Patroller is on a distinguished road
Default Re: Radios, frequencies and such

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cidertom View Post
One problem I have had to chase down twice: The unlicensed radio is on the input frequency for a repeater. No one on those radios hears any chatter as the licensed units were also handhelds and a several miles away. But, the repeater hears them and rebroadcasts them. Jamming the legal users.

I don't want this to get bogged down in us-them-gov't but I am trying to provide some information to keep folks in the clear. What we, as a group, don't need is someone tracking interference to us. Even worse, what if someone tracked a "jammer" down to a cat with a sheriffs ID on it...

While groups and companies are prohibited from owning high power GMRS licenses. We can have use of those frequencies. My "family" can call Jinn's "family" legally. And to be honest, no one is going to check licenses on those frequencies.

You as individuals can do as you see fit, but I think if/when we are doing things as a group (whichever group that may be) this is one item everyone needs to feel OK with.
Your points are absolutely legit. I checked the pre-programmed freqs on the elcheapo radios and they do, in fact, have some random frequencies that should not be used. I will be reprogramming all of them to only GMRS channels so they are ready for the next outing.
If time allows, I may also look at the potential for an itinerant frequency.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Patroller For This Useful Post:
Cidertom (04-01-2018)
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
bk eph radios Snowtrac Nome Ham Radio Forum 5 10-21-2015 02:20 PM
snow cat radios JimVT Ham Radio Forum 8 12-29-2014 06:06 AM
ham radios Snowtrac Nome Hobbies Forum 6 05-15-2010 05:02 PM
Old Radios Bobcat Computers, Cell Phones & Electronics Forum 9 12-17-2007 01:03 PM
Looking for radios DaveNay Open Forum 15 08-21-2006 12:01 PM







All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:50 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2002 - 2018 www.ForumsForums.com