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What have we let them do to us????

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Over the last 30 years this is what America has become?

Let's see now....If we lie to the Congress, it's a felony, and if the
Congress lies to us, it's "just politics". If we dislike a black person,
we're racist, and if a black dislikes whites, it's their First Amendment
right. The government spends millions to rehabilitate criminals, and
they do almost nothing for the victims. In public schools you can teach
that homosexuality is OK, but you better not use the word God or Jesus in the
process.

You can kill an unborn child, but it's wrong to execute a mass
murderer. We don't burn books in America, we now rewrite them. We got
rid of the communist and socialist threat by renaming them
progressives. We are unable to close our border with Mexico, but we
have no problem protecting the 38th parallel in Korea. If you protest
against President Obama's socialist policies you're a terrorist or a racist ,
but if you burned an American flag or George Bush in effigy, it was your First Amendment right.

You can have pornography on TV or the internet, but you better not put a
nativity scene in a public park during Christmas. We have eliminated
all criminals in America; they are now called sick people. We can use a
human fetus for medical research, but it's wrong to use an animal.

We take money from those who work hard for it and give it to those who
don't want to work. We all support the Constitution, but only when it
supports our political ideology.

We still have freedom of speech, but only if we are being politically
correct. Parenting has been replaced with Ritalin and video games. The
land of opportunity is now the land of hand outs. The similarity
between Hurricane Katrina and the gulf oil spill is that neither
president did anything to help.

And how do we handle a major crisis today? The government appoints a
committee to determine who's at fault, then threatens them, passes a
law, raises our taxes, and tells us the problem is solved so they can
get back to their re-election campaign.

What has happened to the land of the free and home of the brave?

This article is from Iosco County, MI. The article was written to the
opinion column of the Iosco County News Herald, June 9, 2010.
 

joec

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Posted in the appropriate section to say the least. Most of this stuff is just that stuff and won't give it its proper name.
 

Big Dog

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Posted in the appropriate section to say the least. Most of this stuff is just that stuff and won't give it its proper name.

Yeah it really sucks and pisses folk off when this stuff is true!
 

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Posted in the appropriate section to say the least. Most of this stuff is just that stuff and won't give it its proper name.


Regardless, I'd agree with the content of BD's post....... It fits with my observation of the changes in our country and world.

K
 

joec

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Well I simply disagree with you after 64 years of living in this country. I've seen it worse and I've also seen it better, now is not the worse of time or the best of times by any stretch. What BD posted was the usual scare the general public to death post nothing more, seen these since having to crawl under my desk in case of a nuclear attack in elementary school like that would do shit to today with we have turned socialist. It is all BS set in motion to keep the uninformed masses scared shitless. The word for this is propaganda period regardless of which phosphoric political view one follows.
 

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I particularly hate that I am typically lumped into the people who let this kind of stuff happen day in, day out - simply due to the fact that I'm a college student and therefore participative in the world of academia.

Although I have learned a great deal about a great many things so far in my college career, one of the most important things I have learned is that most professors and other university officials are stuck in a world of idealistic theory, i.e. "In a perfect world, this is what happens...."

All in all, what I'm trying to say is...

NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF STUPID PEOPLE IN LARGE GROUPS!
 

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Well I simply disagree with you after 64 years of living in this country. I've seen it worse and I've also seen it better, now is not the worse of time or the best of times by any stretch. What BD posted was the usual scare the general public to death post nothing more, seen these since having to crawl under my desk in case of a nuclear attack in elementary school like that would do shit to today with we have turned socialist. It is all BS set in motion to keep the uninformed masses scared shitless. The word for this is propaganda period regardless of which phosphoric political view one follows.

Joe, you must have lived through some much better times than now.
Care to share?
I am not picking on you at all.
What Doggie posted whether it's some forward email floating around the net.. every single thing stated in that is the truth.
Would you care to break it down per paragraph and state your case otherwise?

Oh and hello Reaper.. long time, no see :yum:
 

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I particularly hate that I am typically lumped into the people who let this kind of stuff happen day in, day out - simply due to the fact that I'm a college student and therefore participative in the world of academia.

Although I have learned a great deal about a great many things so far in my college career, one of the most important things I have learned is that most professors and other university officials are stuck in a world of idealistic theory, i.e. "In a perfect world, this is what happens...."

All in all, what I'm trying to say is...

NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF STUPID PEOPLE IN LARGE GROUPS!

No truer words where ever writen and this is a nation of stupid people.

My experience comes from 4 years traveling 94 countries in high stress as well as relaxed situations and that 4 years was better than a collage degree which I also have. It taught me more about the way the real world works than what governments say they will do and in fact don't do.

This nation is among the least educated when it comes to how the rest of the world survives on a daily basis. Most don't have a clue to how lucky they are to be born now in this country. They are too busy with their daily worries about how to screw or not get screwed by their fellow man than how to simply survive. But take my word for it you might not live long enough to get to the survive stage but your of spring will. Let us hope they are up to the task.
 

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No truer words where ever writen and this is a nation of stupid people.


Most don't have a clue to how lucky they are to be born now in this country.
They are too busy with their daily worries about how to screw or not get screwed by their fellow man than how to simply survive.

But take my word for it you might not live long enough to get to the survive stage but your of spring will. Let us hope they are up to the task.

We are a nation of stupid people alright. Look who is sitting in the White House at the moment.

Joe, I think most people who live in these United States realize how lucky they are to be in this great country of ours, and they'll appreciate it more.... SOON.

I hope you don't actually think that you are the only person on this forum who has the life experience that has afforded you to not judge a book by it's cover. The writing is on the wall.
 

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We are a nation of stupid people alright. Look who is sitting in the White House at the moment.

Joe, I think most people who live in these United States realize how lucky they are to be in this great country of ours, and they'll appreciate it more.... SOON.

I hope you don't actually think that you are the only person on this forum who has the life experience that has afforded you to not judge a book by it's cover. The writing is on the wall.

I have my doubts the current sitting person in the White House at the moment might not be correct on a few things but that is another story.

I really don't think many in the US give too damns about the rest of the world they are too tied up in their own little dramas to even bother to learn.

Now as for your last question no I don't. I know a few here have served in the military in combat. It is a general statement based more on the average idiot I meet in the course of a day here where I live now.

Those would be comments coming from 40, 50 or 60 year old people I come in contact with in the course of an average day. None of which have ever left Kentucky or even traveled to another state much less another country.

As for learning most pretty much show me up front that they eat up the propaganda by what ever party system they support even though most have no clue what is in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights much less a basic understanding of what it means. The don't even have basic knowledge of who is their Senator of Representative but they vote Republican because their preacher told them too. I might add most make about $10 per hour so not really the demographics for the republican party really. I guess I just losing my tolerance of stupid mindless lemmings is all.
 

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Joe, I just hope that English is still the first language of my offspring's offspring (which probably isn't going to be for another 30 years)....very well could be Mandarin or Hindi
 

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I,ll just say good post Dawg & every word of it is true in the short time i,ve been on this side of the dirt & I aint no pup . I also haven,t been to any other countrys because I happen to love mine & feel no need to leave it .

Allthough in the 80,s I drove through Mexico to get to Belize to look at some property I thought of buying at the time because it was dirt cheap , Now that was an experience in itself & why I,m so pasionate about folks from Mexico coming here illegally . I have a lot of mexican friends thats been here legally for years , Great familly type hardworking people IMO . But their government has been so corupt for years & now spreading over here so quick its sickening . :hammer:

Now what does all of that have to do with this thread , Hell I aint even sure myself , But allthough I aint never been in the military Or across the pond this damn sure aint my first rodeo . Some of Ya,ll world travelers might have done better staying here close to home , but I,m sure the allmighty dollar had something to do with travelling elsewhere Unless this countrys interest was #1 . All I know is everything in that post is right on the money from my eyes . But then again I can see the forest beyond the trees . :biggrin:

Hell if everybody from here would stay here & spend the money here instead of supporting other countrys just for the Ewes & Awes & right to say I been there , We wouldn,t be in the mess we are today IMO .

oops I got carryed away again , good post BD :biggrin:
 

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I really don't think many in the US give too damns about the rest of the world they are too tied up in their own little dramas to even bother to learn.

Now as for your last question no I don't. I know a few here have served in the military in combat. It is a general statement based more on the average idiot I meet in the course of a day here where I live now.



As for learning most pretty much show me up front that they eat up the propaganda by what ever party system they support even though most have no clue what is in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights much less a basic understanding of what it means. The don't even have basic knowledge of who is their Senator of Representative but they vote Republican because their preacher told them too. I might add most make about $10 per hour so not really the demographics for the republican party really. I guess I just losing my tolerance of stupid mindless lemmings is all.

I think a great MANY people give a damn about the rest of the world, and are informed AND understand the Constitution, the Bill Of Rights and actually get out and VOTE in hopes of a change a' coming.

I know you understand that what happens in this country affects the rest of the world, right?

So most who vote Republican are on a $10 per hour wage?

Who knew?
 

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For people that dont care about other countrys we sure seem to be very supportive of them in their time of need finacially & personally , even when its not forced upon us for political reasons . Just saying :glare:
 

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Here in Kentucky they are and unless you come here and speak to them you can't understand way they do.

We as a nation are just another Roman empire in decline repeating the mistakes of history. This was true of the USSR in the 80's and Germany in the late 40's. We as a nation are spread all over the world and can't afford it but we pay for conquest while not keeping up with our needs at home.

Business today puts short term profit over common sense in that the can make more profit by using basically slave labor in China to make their goods instead of paying a living wage to US employees so they can buy those goods they make. As here is the market not in China and the chickens have now come home to roost in that the middle class who supports most the corporation in the world by buying their goods is now pretty much dead. Short term thinking is what is killing us in this 3 second attention span world. If people don't start to think long term we are doomed to follow the rest of the extinct life that has come and gone before.
 

Reaper497

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Just wait... the Haitians and Greeks will come to our rescue during the next bad hurricane season or Snowpocalypse event....You'll see
 

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For people that dont care about other countrys we sure seem to be very supportive of them in their time of need finacially & personally , even when its not forced upon us for political reasons . Just saying :glare:

We as a people don't care however our political leaders do as they do tend to think a bit longer term than the average person does.
 

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Just wait... the Haitians and Greeks will come to our rescue during the next bad hurricane season or Snowpocalypse event....You'll see

I don't think a single nation on this planet would piss in a cup for us if we where dying of thrust. Sorry I've heard what other people think of the US thinking I was a Canadian. One thing one learns early on is don't travel in major parts of this world as a US Citizen.
 

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We as a people don't care however our political leaders do as they do tend to think a bit longer term than the average person does.
You got a lot of mice in your pockets there Joe?
Our current leaders don't give a shit about where we are heading right now.

I am out of this thread.:wave:Bye bye!
 

Cowboy

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We as a people don't care however our political leaders do as they do tend to think a bit longer term than the average person does.


Sorry Joe but I think your wrong , Do you have any idea how much money as well as personally voluntering , is sent to other countrys from private individuals from the US just because They want to & because they can , no matter how much the donation is it is the thought that counts & we allways seem to be there for damn near anybody , Because unlike the other countrys We do give a damn .
 

Reaper497

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I'm hoping you caught most of the sarcasm dripping off that post Joe...

Yet I don't understand why we always have to be the first (and usually only) country to run to any other nation's aid when they need it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should say to hell with everyone else either but we can only spread ourselves so thin before something breaks.

Looked this up and it's quite interesting...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina

I don't see Haiti OR Greece on that list...Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran provided more help then them...
 

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About 1/10th of 1% of our GDP cowboy. As for giving a damn it is short term, the story of the moment, even now before it is over we have pretty much forgotten about Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa, Philippines, and what BP did to the Gulf of Mexico. Yes we think long term, the current news cycle then it is gone for good. None of you will convince me otherwise as I been on this planet a long time and seen how it works. I always found in fascinating how others think, don't know why just did. I find over the last two generations the attention span of the average person has dropped significantly.
 

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I'm hoping you caught most of the sarcasm dripping off that post Joe...

Yet I don't understand why we always have to be the first (and usually only) country to run to any other nation's aid when they need it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should say to hell with everyone else either but we can only spread ourselves so thin before something breaks.

Looked this up and it's quite interesting...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina

I don't see Haiti OR Greece on that list...Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran provided more help then them...

I got the sarcasm guy hence my answer. :smile:

We need to stop being the world police force until we as a nation have our shit together. We like the USSR are close to repeating their mistake, a high dollar no win war in a place where nations go to die. We need to fix the US not the rest of the world and for once we need to cut ourselves off from the rest of the world for at least a decade until we can get our stuff together.
 

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About 1/10th of 1% of our GDP cowboy. As for giving a damn it is short term, the story of the moment, even now before it is over we have pretty much forgotten about Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa, Philippines, and what BP did to the Gulf of Mexico. Yes we think long term, the current news cycle then it is gone for good. None of you will convince me otherwise as I been on this planet a long time and seen how it works. I always found in fascinating how others think, don't know why just did. I find over the last two generations the attention span of the average person has dropped significantly.


Joe I,m not trying to be nosey & mean no offence , But in your world travels & I,m only assuming you weren,t volunteering your services no matter what they were but , But wether You were under private contract or merconary of some sort I,m once again assuming You got paid quite well for your time while in the other countrys & therefore spending your money there instead of right here in the good ole US of A .

I have several friends that have served both purposes & it was for their own financial benifit , They were also the ones that bitched about Our companys sending jobs over to other countrys . But couldn,t see they were doing the same damn thing . Just my Observation & curiousity . I think we were better off just discussing guns , Because we both seem to be set on our own opinions on this topic . :wink:
 

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Joe I,m not trying to be nosey & mean no offence , But in your world travels & I,m only assuming you weren,t volunteering your services no matter what they were but , But wether You were under private contract or merconary of some sort I,m once again assuming You got paid quite well for your time while in the other countrys & therefore spending your money there instead of right here in the good ole US of A .

I have several friends that have served both purposes & it was for their own financial benifit , They were also the ones that bitched about Our companys sending jobs over to other countrys . But couldn,t see they were doing the same damn thing . Just my Observation & curiousity . I think we were better off just discussing guns , Because we both seem to be set on our own opinions on this topic . :wink:

Not a problem cowboy and yes I was paid well but I did spend my money in the US and claimed full taxes on every dime I made regardless of where I made it. Even had the IRS do it for me as they do offer that as a free service though I don't recommend it since they seem to loose ones records later.

You could call me a contractor or mercenary both would fit as would a courier, trouble shooter as well. I was basically the first group that led to groups like Black Water and other contractors as they are known today. My fees where steep by that time, very steep but I also did work for governments as well as large corporations risking my life.

Now the money wasn't my motive at all, as money has never been nor will it be ever. I went due to the fact mostly that I was told I wasn't good enough to serve in Nam because I had one eye. Hell I draw $8 per hour salary now as part owner in a 1/2 million dollar a year storage business. I will never get back the money I spent buying in to it at that rate, but then I have no worries about where I will die either. They will carry my body out of this place before they replace me and my wife.

It is just that in my travels I saw things and did things that even hardened troops rarely see. To put it simply I've seen things done by the US government as well as others that I personally though was some of the lowest things I've seen in my life. I've seen corporations rape a country starting a civil war to make more profit for themselves. I sat in on meetings where government officials and corporation set up press releases to feed the general public BS to hide what their real agenda.

Keep in mind I worked from late 79 to 84 and who was in power. Now I don't want to offend those here that thought of those as the golden years but in my opinion they where the beginning of the end of this country working for the betterment of all man kind in spite of the scripts feed to the "Leaders" at that time. I worked for a while in the mid 70's as a bouncer in a swingers club and came home feeling cleaner.

Needless to say I learned more in those 4 years about how the world works in nations and between them than all the books and study I had ever had before. I saw it first hand learning to hate and I don't use that term easily but do hate every thing I saw done by those in power then and don't feel it has changed at all now.

One tip I will give you is, each administration changes the powers of the office they got elected too. This gives the next more power than the last and one thing that is the truest statement I ever heard is absolute power corrupts absolutely. Just look Obama ran against everything Bush stood for but is running the country basically the same way he did. He kept the Patriot act in place taking away many of our constitutional rights, doubled down in Afghanistan in spite of the fact that invading that country has been the down fall of every country that has tried through out history, the most resent being the USSR.

Now people like to give Reagan credit for bringing them down but the USSR fell into the same trap we have, they went bankrupt fighting a 1st century foe with modern arms. You can't bomb a stone age country back to the stone ages they are already there. Reagan just happened to be in office at the time their country went bankrupt. Carter, Kennedy, Eisenhower had nothing to do with to here Reagan's cheerleaders it was all him. The man was gone 2 years into his first term in office but could read a script, go figure. A lot better actor than most ever gave him credit for.

So may be that will tell you why I have little respect for governments any form of government and even less for the voting public which to me are lemmings as a whole.
 
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Yep that sure explains how you feel & how you came to feel that way Joe , Thanks for taking the time to explain , sounds like an interesting life . I wasn,t trying to pry as its none of my buisness .

But thats perty much what I had figured as I have a good friend that was & still is involved in the same type of work since about the same era as you are talking about & he is still active .

Allthough He & I agree on many things , the things we differ on get very heated at times leaving both of Us pissed off at each other for awhile because we are both stubborn assholes .

The only differences between He & I is He has traveled the world & seen many things that I haven,t because I,ve worked my ass off from a very young age & for the most part haven,t been off of US soil . Oh Yea & he,s richer then 3 foot up a bulls ass & the most miserable man I,ve ever met because he has no idea of how to enjoy life as well as He beleive,s he,s above any law of any country . Which actually makes him a very dangerous person as well as very arrogant IMO , but he,s still my friend . :biggrin:

So all that being said Joe , I will agree to disagree about the topics in the begining post of this thread , Because its obvious neither one of us are going to agree with each other on very much of it if any . So heres to You :beer: & we will return to our regularly sheduled program :biggrin: Sorry for the interuption Folks :wink:
 
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