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Man points gun at Cop's head, cop shoots/kills man ... In Missouri
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mak2
Active member
You mean like gunslingers that shoot people who are not really threats? If you find a man in your house it is perfectly reasonable to shoot him. Who said it wasn't? Oh wait this is another one of them strawman things I have never said, but you can argue with it. Cool carry on.
I think this old verse will apply to all involved in this issue:
If you go looking for trouble, you will usually find it. This also applies to cigar thief and the can't breath dude
If you go looking for trouble, you will usually find it. This also applies to cigar thief and the can't breath dude
Talk about strawman things ....
mak2
Active member
Yea, kinda my point. Funny how you can recognize it when I do it, but...
Hindsight is 20/20. We can armchair quarterback all we want but in the end it is the facts that we have to deal with. What happened was a man's life was threatened and he defended himself. A jury agreed.
SShepherd
New member
You made up something to argue with, cute, but not what I said.
I did not quote you or address my post to you.
it's not all about you
The world is a better place without the thug who tried to be a bad ass and lost.
Everyone of these cases that have been brought to national attention has been done by a media who wants to start a race riot. All the thugs have died yet are made to look like angels. It says a lot about the liberal mind when they can't figure out who the bad guys are.
mak2
Active member
SShepherd
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Yea, I am sure you were addressing the rest of the legions of libs on this forum.
see, this is addressed to you because I'm quoting you. You were wrong about the Zimmerman case, but you have your opinion and everyones' entitled to it but it doesn't change the facts. You can pontificate on how much badassery you have and how you would just disarm someone or beat their ass but you aren't them and you weren't there. The standard isn't what you "would have done had you known".
the other was replying to Docs' post, you just took it upon yourself to think I was talking to you.
if I have something I want to say to you it's easy to figure out.
Kane
New member
It's called deflection, Shep. Deflection. Whenever a lib is troubled by the facts, they change the subject, claim they are being unfairly persecuted or invent straw men. That way, there is an escape from losing an honest debate.
Liberalism 101. Works every time.
Because once Micheal Brown tried to take the officers gun, and did try to shoot him with it, the situation becomes the same.
The Situation in New York City with Eric Garner is quite different. But the race baiters, and their sympathizer in the media, have insisted it is the same. Which is even worse because all is based on the lie that the police are out with malicious intent to shoot young black men.
Perhaps your question would be better directed at them.
DebateDrone
New member
Do you wonder a lot at ridiculous stuff?
DebateDrone
New member
Maybe a police officer with some brains would not have assessed the threat from only 2 yards away.
Maybe police officers with some sense would have stopped their vehicle just a tad bit more away from the individual in question...putting distance and the vehicle in between the bb gun and themselves.
I'm just saying.
leadarrows
Member
You're second guessing.
So the thug would have charged from a few feet further away then the distance would have been the same.
A thug got himself killed. Good riddance. I could care less.
mak2
Active member
Is a 12 year old with a toy gun a "thug?"
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tamir-r...ad-by-cleveland-cop-looking-for-a-conviction/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tamir-r...ad-by-cleveland-cop-looking-for-a-conviction/
First, you may want to use proper English sentence structure if you want others to understand your questions.
But to answer what I think is your question: NO. As it turns out there have been quite a few riots scattered around this nation, and also in Berkley, MO in relation to the event discussed in the OP of this thread.
So I'll have to ask you a question: Do you often post uninformed posts on forums or was your first post here just a fluke?
Possibly.
Given that most 'airsoft' pistols are designed to look like real guns, and given that they are often used in robberies in lieu of real guns, one would have to ask what the intended use of the airsoft gun was by the boy was when he was carrying that airsoft gun.
So it is very possible that it was an innocent toy used by an innocent child. It is also very possible that the boy was a thug who may have had some illicit use of that which he possessed.
DebateDrone
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Sure you care or you would've not yapped.
I'm "second guessing" bad policing ...No, I know the difference between bad judgement and professional policing. How 'bout you?
DebateDrone
New member
Don't worry much of my 5th grade phrasing...you'll catch on...like it or not.
If not given as a proper question, take it as rhetorical. Get it.
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I won't worry at all. In fact I won't give you a second thought.
But you failed to respond to the fact that your post was totally ignorant. In fact there were quite a few riots directly related to that Berkley incident, to which you implied my wonderment was ridiculous.
Seems to me you are the one being ridiculous. Or at least you are simply dead wrong.
DebateDrone
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I'm sorry, I didn't know you meant every riot in the future of all riots. You win. Now your wondering mind can be at ease.
Seriously?
No, clearly you must be jesting. I was clear. I was referring to riots relating to the shooting of the armed man who is the subject of this thread. Of those there have been many. I keep an open mind until someone proves themselves to be a fool.
As for you, you will be added to my Ignore List now since you clearly have nothing of substance to add. Feel free to add me to your ignore list if you wish. You can edit yours by going to the User CP tab, clicking on it, then scroll down and look at the last item under the Settings and Options. Its pretty obvious what you need to do from that point.
Well, well, well, what do we have here? Another pissed off liberal with anger management issues and a chip on his shoulder. What else is new, eh? I even have some of those same issues myself. Who knows, you may get to see them, but I tend to be a little more restrained if you know what I mean.
Welcome aboard, son. May I be so bold as to suggest a quick visit to the introductions section and tell us a little bit about yourself, sans the attitude and the evil eye ball. Who knows, we may have more in common then you may think. Yes, I doubt it too, but one never knows, right?
You are welcome to say anything here but consider that one can hold back and no one suspect they are a fool, or they can open their mouth and eliminate all doubt.
The police were responding to a call for shop lifting. The officer had no reason to suspect the person in the car was there with a mind set to kill anyone.
Sad and dangerous will be the day that all encounters with the police require DEFcon One suspicion. Things are testy enough with real situations out there. Right now, the police need to come to the scene from which others run away.
Climb back into your comfy arm chair there. And hope if and when you call them, they come quickly to your aid. And without hesitation.
Much of the "credit" for this must go to the dispatcher who was told it was likely the gun was a toy, but who failed to pass
that data on to the troops sent to investigate. Most of these pseudo-guns are so realistic that they have been successfully
used in a large number of actual holdups and robberies. Add to that normal human reaction time and you get a situation
much the same as that in Brown v United States, in which Justice Holmes opined " ... detached reflection cannot be
demanded in the presence of an uplifted knife ...". In hindsight it would have been prudent for the officer to wait
until it was established whether or not the gun was real; if the dispatcher had relayed all the information from the caller
that might even have happened but absent that data all the officer had to go on was a kid pointing a gun at people and
then that kid swinging the gun around to point at them. Absent any power of precognition the officer responded in
a sadly appropriate manner to a perceived threat of death or great bodily harm to himself and his partner.
Now we're seeing situations where the real thugs are trying to give themselves a massive edge if the police respond to one of
their work-sites as a result of a 911 call or silent alarm: these bright boys are painting the ends of their guns orange, or in
some cases gluing on small sections of orange plastic taken from the barrels of actual toy guns! I wonder how the MSM
is going to react when an officer is murdered with one of these "toys", and what effect it will have on the way LEO's react
to questionable cases in the future.
With the above facts in mind, my direct answer to your direct question has to an unqualified "Maybe". Until a foolproof
method is established so officers can tell at a glance whether the thing being pointed at them is a real gun or not, every
single case will be an on-the-fly call and any number of regrettable outcomes will result. Personally I don't expect to
see any such foolproof method forthcoming; remember, the bright orange muzzles of these toys and replicas was
supposed to be that very method of identification, added for just that purpose, and we can see how that has turned out.
Again, a completely different situation and different argument. That said if you point a gun, (even a non functioning toy) at a policeman, expect a response from someone who did not join the police force to die. Age is irrelevant.
Kane
New member
Well, friend, next time a perp is threatening you with a gun, the police officers will have the good sense to stop their vehicle a good distance away from the individual in question ... putting a tad bit more distance between the threat and themselves ... so they can take all the time some other lib feels necessary to assess the threat. No sense in hurrying towards the threat for your sake.
Just sayin'.