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Corona Virus spreading ... US official says no need to worry

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I have not seen where anything I quoted from ZeroHedge has been wrong so far. In fact they seem to be correct and generally a few days ahead of the MSM with regard to trends.
 

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A Japanese tourist, visiting Hawaii, apparently brought Corona with him to two islands, before returning to Japan.

Based on the timeline, he got infected in Japan, flew to Maui, where he still showed no symptoms, then onto Oahu, where he became symtomatic while staying in a timeshare on the island. He returned to Japan, was tested, and found to have the Covid-19 virus.

Honestly I'm a bit surprised that Hawaii is not already a hot spot given the proximity and transportation hub that links much of Asia to north and south America.

Reported by New York Times, several other sources and this story reported by USNews => https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...who-visited-hawaii-confirmed-with-coronavirus

Full story at link above:
Japanese Man Who Visited Hawaii Confirmed With Coronavirus
Hawaii officials are trying to learn more about a Japanese tourist's travel in the islands because he has been confirmed to have the coronavirus.


By JENNIFER SINCO KELLEHER, Associated Press

HONOLULU (AP) — A man who visited Hawaii was confirmed to have coronavirus when he returned home to Japan, Hawaii officials said Friday.

Health officials were tracking down details about his travel in the Aloha State, including his flight information and people with whom he had close contact.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention notified Hawaii about the man having the illness known as COVID-19 on Friday morning, Hawaii Health Director Bruce Anderson said.

The man was in Hawaii Jan. 28 to Feb. 7. He first visited the island of Maui, where he had no symptoms, Anderson said. He was on Oahu, the state's most populated island, Feb. 3-7. While on Oahu, he had cold-like symptoms, but no fever, Anderson said.

He developed more serious symptoms when he returned to Japan, where he was tested and found to be positive for the illness, Anderson. He did not seek medical care in Hawaii, Anderson said.

Because of when his symptoms began, officials believe he became infected in Japan or while in transit to Hawaii, said state epidemiologist Dr. Sarah Park.

He is from Japan's Aichi Prefecture. The man was traveling with his wife, and while on Oahu, they stayed in Grand Waikikian By Hilton, officials said.

“Our focus at this point is to try and understand who potentially this person may have had close, prolonged contact," Park said, adding that they're concentrating on his whereabouts while on Oahu because that's where he developed symptoms.

If any close contacts are identified, those people would be isolated for 14 days, Anderson said. ...



In the mean time the official count is now within grasping distance of 70,000 infected. China confirmed it can only test about 3000 people per day, so its pretty obvious that some of the financial reports indicating that the virus is far more widespread are true, and its undercounted by 10's if not 100's of thousands in China.
 

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I not panicking but I think it coming to the US in a substantial way is inevitable. I just don't know what to believe about the statistics on this virus. Reports are all over the place from no problem to devastating. I think the consensus is correct about the transmission of it but the mortality rate is anyones guess. Marty
 

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HIV drugs to be tested in Japan to treat Corona virus.

This follows some reports that doctors in Thailand used HIV drugs, in conjunction with drugs used to treat flu, have been successful in treating some severe cases of Corona.

Japan is also restricting the size of public gatherings and many workplaces are pushing "work from home" policies to limit public interactions and the possible spread of the disease. Honestly this seems odd to me given that the cases in Japan seemed to have been contained aboard the cruise ship and in some selected hospitals. Apparently not, as the article indicates that there are now 3 cases diagnosed in the general public.


FULL STORY AT LINK =>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-as-diamond-princess-cases-rise-idUSKBN20C02C

Japan plans HIV drug trials to fight coronavirus as Diamond Princess cases rise

TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan plans to start trials of HIV medications to treat coronavirus patients as an increase in the number of cases poses a growing threat to the economy and public health, the government’s top spokesman said on Tuesday.

The government is making “preparations so that clinical trials using HIV medication on the novel coronavirus can start as soon as possible,” Yoshihide Suga told a briefing, but added he could not say how long it might take to approve a drug’s use.
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Elsewhere, three more cases were diagnosed in Wakayama Prefecture, including the son of a doctor infected with the virus, local media said.
...

HIV drugs have been touted as a potential cure for the coronavirus, which has killed almost 1,900 people in mainland China. No therapy has yet proven fully effective against the infection.

People in China have begun exploring unorthodox ways to get treated, with some appealing to HIV patients and unauthorised importers for medicine.

In Thailand, doctors said they appeared to have had some success in treating severe cases of the virus with a combination of medications for flu and HIV.

...​
 

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Just watched a government health official on the news star that the corona virus could be up to 20 time worse than the flu ?
 

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Just watched a government health official on the news star that the corona virus could be up to 20 time worse than the flu ?

Well that is probably just a guess?

We have zero reliable data from China, which is where the vast majority of the cases still exist.

I think Japan may be able to provide the world some truth on this disease. They are dealing with a very large number of cases, the vast majority of those have been imported on a single cruise ship. But as they also have a highly developed society and medical system that is open to sharing with the world. So as the 600 to 700 known cases in Japan develop we can watch the progression of the disease, the treatment of the individuals and find out more about not only the mortality rate but also the incubation period and the infectious & contagious properties.

We can also start to watch AFRICA as a case was just found in Egypt, imported by a 'foreigner' who is traveling. As Africa is largely less developed than much of the western world, and is dealing with multiple different public health issues, the more fragile nations of Africa may become problematic.

For those who don't know, several African nations have very close economic ties to China with direct air connections so it is possible that some corona cases already exist but remain undiagnosed.


LINK => https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...d-diamond-princess-one-day-quarantine-set-end
Japan Confirms 88 More Cases Aboard 'Diamond Princess', Bringing Total To 542 One Day Before Quarantine Set To End

Coronavirus: 44 new cases confirmed on cruise ship in Japan

Last night, the western press exposed the Americans for breaking Japan's quarantine on the 'Diamond Princess' by ferrying some 14 infected individuals to the US. But with one day left to go before the Japanese government ends its quarantine and releases thousands of terrified and paranoid passengers into the streets of Tokyo.

On Tuesday, another 88 passengers from the Diamond Princess were diagnosed with the virus, bringing the total to 542.
Japan has completed tests for all passengers and crew aboard the ship as of Monday, but the results for the last batch of tests aren't expected until Wednesday, the day that the quarantine is slated to end. So far, results are back for 2,404 passengers and crew, out of the 3,711 who were on board the ship when the quarantine began on Feb. 5.
 

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Coronavirus: Nearly 80% of American Factories in Shanghai Say They Lack Workers
by JOHN CARNEY17 Feb 2020

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2020/02/17/shanghai-supply-chain-coronavirus/



American factories in China are warning that they do not have enough staff to get their production lines fully back online as plants re-open after the extended coronavirus shutdown.
Nearly 80 percent of U.S. businesses in the Shanghai area say they lack the manpower to run at full speed, according to the American Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai. Forty-one percent said their biggest challenge in the next two to four weeks will be a lack of workers. Thirty percent said logistics issues will be their biggest concern.

The lack of staff raising the prospects of disruptions to global supply chains. The economic fallout from the coronavirus could include hits to production in regions, including the U.S., where the virus itself has been scarce but which are dependent on Chinese inputs for goods. China is one of the top three suppliers, alongside Canada and Mexico, of intermediate goods that go into final products produced in the U.S. It is likely the largest supplier of intermediate goods to the U.S. economy counting its exports to third countries that produce final goods sold in the U.S.

Here is what the American Chamber of Commerce’s survey, released Monday, found:

  • 48% of companies report their global operations are already impacted by the shutdown
  • 78% of companies do not have sufficient staff to run a full production line
  • 41% of companies say a lack of staff is their biggest challenge in the next 2-4 weeks; 30% of companies say logistics issues will be their biggest concern
  • Over the next few months, 58% of companies expect demand for their output to be lower than normal
  • 38% of companies do not have sufficient masks/other supplies to protect their staff from coronavirus infection
  • 35% of companies ranked a clearer explanation of requirements as the most important thing government officials could do to speed up factory opening approvals

China’s ruling Communist Party has ordered local officials to begin re-opening businesses and factories. But ongoing quarantine rules will make travel and returning to work difficult for many workers. Others may choose to stay away until there is reliable evidence that the outbreak is contained enough to make returning to work safe.
 

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Apple is running out of iPhones

Jaguar/Land Rover can't get parts from China an may shut down their assembly line in 2 weeks

Samsung and other Korean companies may be in better shape, at least those than minimally source from China

This is a world wide event and it will affect all economies. That is why I started looking at this. The economies are probably going to contract instead of expand. Tech stocks could take a hit? A lot of drugs and medical devices are made in China too, many antibiotics, plastic medical supplies, etc.
 

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Drugs are something too worry about; other than that, our food supply should be safe until some machine breaks down. People don't NEED a new phone or Land Rover....

It will surely have an economic impact. I'm just praying that that is all.
 

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Drugs are something too worry about; other than that, our food supply should be safe until some machine breaks down. People don't NEED a new phone or Land Rover....

It will surely have an economic impact. I'm just praying that that is all.

Agreed on this point.

But I made the point to illustrate how global we have become with our manufacturing. And the point you made about "until some machine breaks down" is an excellent point to consider too. That could make things very very serious. So much of what we have today, probably far more than any of us understands, relies on something from somewhere else in the world.

If the virus stays in China then we will all be seriously inconvenienced.

If it gets loose in Mexico, where we have major trade with both food and material goods like appliances, automobiles and all sorts of small parts, then it is likely to become a big pain in the bottom.
 

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Agreed on this point.

But I made the point to illustrate how global we have become with our manufacturing. And the point you made about "until some machine breaks down" is an excellent point to consider too. That could make things very very serious. So much of what we have today, probably far more than any of us understands, relies on something from somewhere else in the world.

If the virus stays in China then we will all be seriously inconvenienced.

If it gets loose in Mexico, where we have major trade with both food and material goods like appliances, automobiles and all sorts of small parts, then it is likely to become a big pain in the bottom.


Agreed. It could very well get "ugly"....

I'll take inconvenience over morgue most any day.....

No matter how this plays out, a LOT of people are dying in a short time......I pray for them all.

God bless,
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Agreed on this point.

But I made the point to illustrate how global we have become with our manufacturing. And the point you made about "until some machine breaks down" is an excellent point to consider too. That could make things very very serious. So much of what we have today, probably far more than any of us understands, relies on something from somewhere else in the world.

If the virus stays in China then we will all be seriously inconvenienced.

If it gets loose in Mexico, where we have major trade with both food and material goods like appliances, automobiles and all sorts of small parts, then it is likely to become a big pain in the bottom.

If it breaks loose in Mexico it will be in every sanctuary city in the country festering for a few weeks then look out.
 

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I'll say it again, folks. Stock up on freeze dried foods and water. Be in a position to stay at home, protect the farm and minimize your exposure.

Everything coming out of China is a lie. Everything. Remember, they are communists, they are totally incapable of telling the truth.

Be prepared.
 

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I'll say it again, folks. Stock up on freeze dried foods and water. Be in a position to stay at home, protect the farm and minimize your exposure.

Everything coming out of China is a lie. Everything. Remember, they are communists, they are totally incapable of telling the truth.

Be prepared.

Its looking a lot more possible that the Corona virus in China was released or escaped bio weapon. There are 2 recent stories that shed light.
1- Charles Liber a Havard University professor was arrested January 28th 2020 along with Zaosong Zheng for stealing and sending Biological weapons and information to China Liber was being paid $50,000.00 per month and Zheng along with another Chinese scientist that got away are active members of the Chinese communist party Military. Where did they come from ? The Wuhan military bioweapons facility.

2- In March 2019 a NML lab in Canada working with a corona virus with 2 Chinese scientists. Found out that The Chinese scientists were sending the viruses to China. The virus they were working with is the same corona virus now killing people in china with one difference. The one in China has AIDS DNA inserted and that is the element that allowed human to human transmission.

Is this a coincidence? Also China is being very secretive and allowing WHO into China but will not allow them into any of the hot spots. I am not very good with the technical things on line or I would post links to the reports but haven't figured that out yet. I haven't got my tin hat out yet but the information makes me think. Marty
 

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Now 26 put under quarantine in [FONT=&]Westchester County[/FONT] New York.News article from 2/18/2020. 4 days after the "leak"

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-coronavirus-westchester-county-26-people-quaranti/ned-20200218-nv263r34czebpi6g3yqpy2xa7e-story.html
Westchester County quarantines 26 people who returned from China amid Coronavirus concerns
By Chelsia Rose Marcius and Leonard Greene
New York Daily News |

Feb 18, 2020 | 6:35 PM

Twenty-six people were quarantined in Westchester County because they may have been exposed to coronavirus in mainland China, officials said Tuesday.

More than two dozen people have been quarantined in Westchester County because they’ve traveled to areas in mainland China affected by the coronavirus, officials said.

The 26 travelers have been confined to their homes, even though none have tested positive for the virus.

“These people are not ill, but we still have to monitor them,” County Health Commissioner Sherlita Amler said at a news conference Tuesday.

The quarantines are voluntary, Amler said. None of those quarantined have any symptoms of the disease, though they may have been exposed to it, she said.

Health officials are in “constant communication” with the quarantined people, Amler added.

Authorities declined to disclose the locations of the people being quarantined in Westchester, citing privacy concerns.

“There are two widespread concerns here," County Executive George Latimer added. “First is the spread of the virus, the second is the fear and the unnecessary panic that comes around stories (about the virus).”

Westchester’s Departments of Health, Emergency Services and Public Safety are taking steps to prepare for any situations involving the virus. Officials said it could take 14 days to develop symptoms from the time of exposure.

The reports come as Chinese officials released data Tuesday indicating the new virus could be 20 times more lethal than the flu.


Next question: Did they get back to the US after the travel from China ban or before?

If before...why put them in quarantine now?

And now they are saying it is 20x more lethal than the seasonal flu? The numbers widely reported had been that it was similar to the seasonal flu, many saying less lethal. So why the bump in lethality now?



And for those of you who are counting, we are now officially at over 2000 deaths, and over 75,000 infected. You will notice that Japan is listed with 74 infected. You may also note that there are 542 'others' on the list, these are the cruise ship passengers that were docked in Japan. So the 'others' are not attributed to Japan. And now some of them have been transported to the US and other nations. Can we can expect that they will eventually be assigned to the nation that is hosting them after evacuation???
 

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Washington Times reports surge in cases in Korea. 2 Japanese deaths related to the cruise ship. Mayor of a major Korean city tells people to stay at home.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/



Coronavirus cases surge in South Korea as first death reported, mayor tells residents to stay indoors


Authorities worldwide warned about the spread of the coronavirus beyond China on Thursday as Japan reported the first two deaths from the Diamond Princess cruise liner, South Korea reported its first fatality, and a major city there asked citizens to refrain from venturing outdoors.

A Japanese man and woman, both said to be in their 80s, were among more than 600 passengers who contracted the disease while on board the Diamond Princess. They left the ship last week and were hospitalized, but they died Thursday, Japanese public broadcaster NHK reported.



Updated February 19, 2020
The latest: China tallied a total of 1,749 new infections and 136 deaths through the end of Tuesday, making the cumulative total 74,185 infections and 2,004 deaths.

How does the coronavirus make people sick, and why does it kill some of them? When people die of the coronavirus, it’s not just the virus that kills them — it’s their own immune system.

Mapping the spread of the new coronavirus: More than 25 countries have reported at least one case of coronavirus. Infections have been confirmed in France, India, Hong Kong, Japan, Nepal, Spain, Cambodia, Belgium, Singapore, Sweden, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, Italy, Vietnam, Taiwan, Canada and Sri Lanka.

...


ZeroHedge, linking to stories around the globe reports: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...ernight-explosion-new-cases-suggests-outbreak

In South Korea, the number of cases soared by almost two-thirds to 104 overnight, further emphasizing our observation that the number of cases ex-China has started to accelerate notably as the curve starts to resemble an exponential progression.

One WHO health expert told a Japanese TV station on Thursday that the virus is "a moving target" making it difficult to collect information and treat people: "Nobody has ever had to deal with this situation before, this is a new virus on a ship with 4,000 people, there are no guidelines for that." He added that he suspects there was a substantial amount of transmission before it arrived in Yokohama, adding that it was "not possible" to isolate everybody individually.

The WHO senior epidemiologist was responding to claims made by another expert in infectious disease that the Japanese had failed to observer proper quarantine protocols.

Back in Korea, the mayor of Daegu, a city of 2.5 million where 10 South Koreans contracted the disease from a church service, asked residents to stay indoors. Iran also reported two infected that then died.

Experts suspect that one woman in Daegu may have infected at least 40 others by going to her Christian church, according to Yonhap. The alleged 'superspreader' is the reason for the huge jump in new cases on Thursday. Experts say the city is now facing an "unprecedented crisis" following the spike in cases.

I’ve seen other stories saying the church ‘super spreader’ has infected 40 so far but posted the more conservative confirmed stories.

Japan seems to have totally blown it by letting the cruise passengers out into the wild. They should have removed them from the ship into isolation wards. Instead they let them spread it and released them.


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UPDATED WITH ANOTHER ARTICLE. Interesting what the US Military response to this was and how the base is handling it.

Full story at link : https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...us-outbreak-cases-soar-at-church-cult-cluster


South Korean city on high alert as coronavirus cases soar at 'cult' church

A 61-year-old woman is believed to have infected dozens of worshippers at the Shincheonji Church of Jesus in Daegu, taking the national total to 82

The South Korean city of Daegu was facing an “unprecedented crisis” after coronavirus infections that centred on a controversial “cult” church surged to 38 cases, accounting for nearly half of the country’s total.

The city of 2.5 million people, which is two hours south of the capital Seoul, was turned into a ghost town after health officials said the bulk of country’s 31 new cases announced on Thursday were linked to a branch of the Shincheonji Church of Jesus.

“We are in an unprecedented crisis,” Daegu’s mayor, Kwon Young-jin, told reporters.

He ordered the shutdown of all kindergartens and public libraries, according to the news agency Yonhap. Schools in the city were considering postponing the beginning of the spring term scheduled for early March.

Shopping malls and movie theatres were empty and the usually busy city centre streets were quiet. A concert featuring BTS and other K-pop stars that was set for Daegu Stadium on 8 March has been postponed.

The defence ministry banned troops stationed in Daegu from leaving their barracks and receiving guests. The US military imposed similar restrictions on its army base in the city, which houses thousands of troops, family members and civilian employees, curbing travel and closing schools and child care centres.


In what the Korean centre for disease control called a “super spreader” event, almost half of the country’s total of 82 infections have been linked to a 61-year-old woman who worships at the Daegu church, an entity often accused of being a cult.

She first developed a fever on 10 February but reportedly twice refused to be tested for the coronavirus on the grounds that she had not recently travelled abroad. She attended at least four services before being diagnosed.

So far, 37 other members of the church have been confirmed as infected....

Daegu’s municipal government said there were 1,001 Shincheonji members in the city, all of whom had been asked to self-quarantine, with 90 of them currently showing symptoms.

Those who have symptoms “will be tested as soon as possible”, Kwon Young-jin said, urging stronger action from the government in Seoul and calling the national response “inadequate”.

“We plan to test all believers of that church and have asked them to stay at home isolated from their families.”

The situation was “very grave”, South Korean vice health minister Kim Kang-lip said at a separate briefing.

 

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ABC News reporting South Korea cases more than double overnight with more expected.

So who still thinks this is contained?

Or under control?

Full story — https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...id=clicksource_4380645_4_three_posts_card_hed

Coronavirus patient numbers double overnight in South Korea
Fifty-three new cases were confirmed.


SEOUL, South Korea -- Coronavirus cases more than doubled overnight in South Korea with most of the outbreak centered in and around the city of Daegu, the country’s fourth-largest city with 2.5 million people.

Fifty-three new cases were confirmed, spiking the total to 104 infected as of Thursday evening local time. The number of cases are expected to increase in the coming days.
...
 

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Now 26 put under quarantine in [FONT=&]Westchester County[/FONT] New York.News article from 2/18/2020. 4 days after the "leak"

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-coronavirus-westchester-county-26-people-quaranti/ned-20200218-nv263r34czebpi6g3yqpy2xa7e-story.html



Next question: Did they get back to the US after the travel from China ban or before?

If before...why put them in quarantine now?

And now they are saying it is 20x more lethal than the seasonal flu? The numbers widely reported had been that it was similar to the seasonal flu, many saying less lethal. So why the bump in lethality now?



And for those of you who are counting, we are now officially at over 2000 deaths, and over 75,000 infected. You will notice that Japan is listed with 74 infected. You may also note that there are 542 'others' on the list, these are the cruise ship passengers that were docked in Japan. So the 'others' are not attributed to Japan. And now some of them have been transported to the US and other nations. Can we can expect that they will eventually be assigned to the nation that is hosting them after evacuation???

on this chart deaths VS recovered looks to be about 15%
 

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Evidence that the virus is spreading more rapidly within other Asian countries outside mainland China has become impossible to ignore, which is probably why US futures are pointing to a lower open for a second straight day.

As Bloomberg reminds us, South Korea has seen its total cases soar past 200 as the number of infections doubled in 24 hours.

Lebanon, which has a collapsing infrastructure has confirmed its first case.

Economists at Oxford University are reporting that $1.1 TRILLION could be wiped out of the world economy. So we may see all sorts of related financial issues ahead, all the way down to small town main street.




Several new medical/scientific articles published on The Lancet over the past few days. Here are links to the most recent 2 (below are just summaries, follow links for full information) neither is particularly optimistic.

AFRICA: Preparedness and Vulnerability of African countries

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30411-6/fulltext

Findings

Countries with the highest importation risk (ie, Egypt, Algeria, and South Africa) have moderate to high capacity to respond to outbreaks. Countries at moderate risk (ie, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Sudan, Angola, Tanzania, Ghana, and Kenya) have variable capacity and high vulnerability. We identified three clusters of countries that share the same exposure to the risk originating from the provinces of Guangdong, Fujian, and the city of Beijing, respectively.

Interpretation

Many countries in Africa are stepping up their preparedness to detect and cope with COVID-19 importations. Resources, intensified surveillance, and capacity building should be urgently prioritised in countries with moderate risk that might be ill-prepared to detect imported cases and to limit onward transmission.






OUTCOMES OF CRITICALLY ILL

https://www.thelancet.com/pb-assets/Lancet/pdfs/S2213260020300795.pdf
Summary
Background An ongoing outbreak of pneumonia associated with the severe acute respiratory coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) started in December, 2019, in Wuhan, China. Information about critically ill patients with SARS-CoV-2 infection is scarce. We aimed to describe the clinical course and outcomes of critically ill patients with SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia.

Methods In this single-centered, retrospective, observational study, we enrolled 52 critically ill adult patients with SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia who were admitted to the intensive care unit (ICU) of Wuhan Jin Yin-tan hospital (Wuhan, China) between late December, 2019, and Jan 26, 2020. Demographic data, symptoms, laboratory values, comorbidities, treatments, and clinical outcomes were all collected. Data were compared between survivors and non-survivors. The primary outcome was 28-day mortality, as of Feb 9, 2020. Secondary outcomes included incidence of SARS-CoV-2- related acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) and the proportion of patients requiring mechanical ventilation.

Findings Of 710 patients with SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia, 52 critically ill adult patients were included. The mean age of the 52 patients was 59·7 (SD 13·3) years, 35 (67%) were men, 21 (40%) had chronic illness, 51 (98%) had fever. 32 (61·5%) patients had died at 28 days, and the median duration from admission to the intensive care unit (ICU) to death was 7 (IQR 3–11) days for non-survivors. Compared with survivors, non-survivors were older (64·6 years [11·2] vs 51·9 years [12·9]), more likely to develop ARDS (26 [81%] patients vs 9 [45%] patients), and more likely to receive mechanical ventilation (30 [94%] patients vs 7 [35%] patients), either invasively or non-invasively. Most patients had organ function damage, including 35 (67%) with ARDS, 15 (29%) with acute kidney injury, 12 (23%) with cardiac injury, 15 (29%) with liver dysfunction, and one (2%) with pneumothorax. 37 (71%) patients required mechanical ventilation. Hospital-acquired infection occurred in seven (13·5%) patients.

Interpretation The mortality of critically ill patients with SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia is considerable. The survival time of the non-survivors is likely to be within 1–2 weeks after ICU admission. Older patients (>65 years) with comorbidities and ARDS are at increased risk of death. The severity of SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia poses great strain on critical care resources in hospitals, especially if they are not adequately staffed or resourced.
 

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Evidence that the virus is spreading more rapidly within other Asian countries outside mainland China has become impossible to ignore, which is probably why US futures are pointing to a lower open for a second straight day.

As Bloomberg reminds us, South Korea has seen its total cases soar past 200 as the number of infections doubled in 24 hours.

Lebanon, which has a collapsing infrastructure has confirmed its first case.

Economists at Oxford University are reporting that $1.1 TRILLION could be wiped out of the world economy. So we may see all sorts of related financial issues ahead, all the way down to small town main street.




Several new medical/scientific articles published on The Lancet over the past few days. Here are links to the most recent 2 (below are just summaries, follow links for full information) neither is particularly optimistic.

AFRICA: Preparedness and Vulnerability of African countries

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30411-6/fulltext

Findings

Countries with the highest importation risk (ie, Egypt, Algeria, and South Africa) have moderate to high capacity to respond to outbreaks. Countries at moderate risk (ie, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Sudan, Angola, Tanzania, Ghana, and Kenya) have variable capacity and high vulnerability. We identified three clusters of countries that share the same exposure to the risk originating from the provinces of Guangdong, Fujian, and the city of Beijing, respectively.

Interpretation

Many countries in Africa are stepping up their preparedness to detect and cope with COVID-19 importations. Resources, intensified surveillance, and capacity building should be urgently prioritised in countries with moderate risk that might be ill-prepared to detect imported cases and to limit onward transmission.






OUTCOMES OF CRITICALLY ILL

https://www.thelancet.com/pb-assets/Lancet/pdfs/S2213260020300795.pdf
Summary
Background An ongoing outbreak of pneumonia associated with the severe acute respiratory coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) started in December, 2019, in Wuhan, China. Information about critically ill patients with SARS-CoV-2 infection is scarce. We aimed to describe the clinical course and outcomes of critically ill patients with SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia.

Methods In this single-centered, retrospective, observational study, we enrolled 52 critically ill adult patients with SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia who were admitted to the intensive care unit (ICU) of Wuhan Jin Yin-tan hospital (Wuhan, China) between late December, 2019, and Jan 26, 2020. Demographic data, symptoms, laboratory values, comorbidities, treatments, and clinical outcomes were all collected. Data were compared between survivors and non-survivors. The primary outcome was 28-day mortality, as of Feb 9, 2020. Secondary outcomes included incidence of SARS-CoV-2- related acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) and the proportion of patients requiring mechanical ventilation.

Findings Of 710 patients with SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia, 52 critically ill adult patients were included. The mean age of the 52 patients was 59·7 (SD 13·3) years, 35 (67%) were men, 21 (40%) had chronic illness, 51 (98%) had fever. 32 (61·5%) patients had died at 28 days, and the median duration from admission to the intensive care unit (ICU) to death was 7 (IQR 3–11) days for non-survivors. Compared with survivors, non-survivors were older (64·6 years [11·2] vs 51·9 years [12·9]), more likely to develop ARDS (26 [81%] patients vs 9 [45%] patients), and more likely to receive mechanical ventilation (30 [94%] patients vs 7 [35%] patients), either invasively or non-invasively. Most patients had organ function damage, including 35 (67%) with ARDS, 15 (29%) with acute kidney injury, 12 (23%) with cardiac injury, 15 (29%) with liver dysfunction, and one (2%) with pneumothorax. 37 (71%) patients required mechanical ventilation. Hospital-acquired infection occurred in seven (13·5%) patients.

Interpretation The mortality of critically ill patients with SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia is considerable. The survival time of the non-survivors is likely to be within 1–2 weeks after ICU admission. Older patients (>65 years) with comorbidities and ARDS are at increased risk of death. The severity of SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia poses great strain on critical care resources in hospitals, especially if they are not adequately staffed or resourced.

So am I understanding correctly if you are one of the lucky ones that develop Pumonia you have a 61.5 % chance of death?
 

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Daily summary. You’ll notice the number of American cases more than doubled. Also that Hawaii is not testing suspected cases to confirm illness. Italy reported its first death.

The WHO is now saying the time to get this under control is dwindling. As if it ever was under control?

China has been claiming the number of cases are decreasing ... but is building 19 new hospitals? Hmmmm, wonder why!?! Could they be liars about this whole thing?

Oh, and now the CDC is advertising on Facebook. Nothing to worry about.

Yup, economic shitstorm on its way. Healthcare crisis likely too.



https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...night-alarming-prison-outbreak-reported-china

Summary:

Italy reports 1st virus death, 15 additional cases, 10 cities on lockdown

34 cases in USA.

China pledges to build 19 new hospitals in Wuhan

Hawaii hasn't tested any suspected cases in the state

253 more passengers depart the diamond princess as 11 of 13 American evacuees in Nebraska test positive

Local authorities in China warn people will be punished for not returning to work if ordered

WHO's Tedros: Window for confronting virus rapidly closing

CDC says virus tremendous health threat, warns more human to human transmission of the virus in the US likely

First case declared in Lebanon

Iran confirms 9 more cases as virus reaches Tehran

South Korea reported massive jump in cases on Friday as total climbed to 204

Global Times insinuates that US might be covering up coronavirus cases

Health officials in Hubei 'apologize' for changing case confirmation 'criteria'
 

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Here is a link to a short video charting the progress of Coronavirus as it compares to SARS, EBOLA, SWINE FLU and MERS.

Well worth watching, its less than 1 minute long => https://twitter.com/QTRResearch/status/1230977793854443526

By the way, experts are now suggesting the 14 day quarantine is not adequate and a 27 day quarantine may be far more appropriate as there are more and more confirmed cases of people spreading the disease without showing any symptoms.

Researchers have also found the virus alive in human urine, which begs the question of it spreading through the sewer system.



And this from Bloomberg:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...80-99-health-experts-warned-about/ar-BB10geqf

The Coronavirus May Be ‘Disease X’ Health Experts Warned About

(Bloomberg) -- The World Health Organization cautioned years ago that a mysterious “disease X” could spark an international contagion. The new coronavirus, with its ability to quickly morph from mild to deadly, is emerging as a contender.

From recent reports about the stealthy ways the so-called Covid-19 virus spreads and maims, a picture is emerging of an enigmatic pathogen whose effects are mainly mild, but which occasionally -- and unpredictably -- turns deadly in the second week. In less than three months, it’s infected almost 78,000 people, mostly in China, and killed more than 2,300. Emerging hot spots in South Korea, Iran and Italy have stoked further alarm.

“Whether it will be contained or not, this outbreak is rapidly becoming the first true pandemic challenge that fits the disease X category,” Marion Koopmans, head of viroscience at Erasmus University Medical Center in Rotterdam, and a member of the WHO’s emergency committee, wrote Wednesday in the journal Cell.

The disease has now spread to more than two dozen countries and territories. Some of those infected caught the virus in their local community and have no known link to China, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said.

“We are not seeing community spread here in the United States yet, but it’s very possible -- even likely -- that it may eventually happen,” Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, told reporters Friday.

Unlike SARS, its viral cousin, the Covid-19 virus replicates at high concentrations in the nose and throat akin to the common cold, and appears capable of spreading from those who show no, or mild, symptoms. That makes it impossible to control using the fever-checking measures that helped stop SARS 17 years ago.

Spreading Surreptitiously

A cluster of cases within a family living in the Chinese city of Anyang is presumed to have begun when a 20-year-old woman carried the virus from Wuhan, the outbreak’s epicenter, on Jan. 10 and spread it while experiencing no illness, researchers said Friday in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

Five relatives subsequently developed fever and respiratory symptoms. Covid-19 is less deadly than SARS, which had a case fatality rate of 9.5%, but appears more contagious. Both viruses attack the respiratory and gastrointestinal tracts, via which they can potentially spread.

While more than 80% of patients are reported to have a mild version of the disease and will recover, about one in seven develops pneumonia, difficulty breathing and other severe symptoms. About 5% of patients have critical illness, including respiratory failure, septic shock and multi-organ failure.

“Unlike SARS, Covid-19 infection has a broader spectrum of severity ranging from asymptomatic to mildly symptomatic to severe illness that requires mechanical ventilation,” doctors in Singapore said in a paper in the same medical journal Thursday. “Clinical progression of the illness appears similar to SARS: patients developed pneumonia around the end of the first week to the beginning of the second week of illness.”

Unpredictable Illness

Older adults, especially those with chronic conditions, such as hypertension and diabetes, have been found to have a higher risk of severe illness. Still, “the experience to date in Singapore is that patients without significant co-morbid conditions can also develop severe illness,” they said.

Li Wenliang, the 34-year-old ophthalmologist who was one of the first to warn about the coronavirus in Wuhan, died earlier this month after receiving antibodies, antivirals, antibiotics, oxygen and having his blood pumped through an artificial lung.

The doctor, who was in good health prior to his infection, appeared to have a relatively mild case until his lungs became inflamed, leading to the man’s death two days later, said Linfa Wang, who heads the emerging infectious disease program at Duke-National University of Singapore Medical School.

A similar pattern of inflammation noted among Covid-19 patients was observed in those who succumbed to the 1918 “Spanish flu” pandemic, said Gregory A. Poland, the Mary Lowell Leary emeritus professor of medicine, infectious diseases, and molecular pharmacology and experimental therapeutics at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota.

“Whenever, you have an infection, you have a battle going on,” Poland said in a phone interview Thursday. “And that battle is a battle between the damage that the virus is doing, and the damage the body can do when it tries to fight it off.”

Mild Symptoms

Doctors studying a 50-year-old man who died in China last month found Covid-19 gave him mild chills and dry cough at the start, enabling him to continue working. But on his ninth day of illness, he was hospitalized with fatigue and shortness of breath, and treated with a barrage of germ-fighting and immune system-modulating treatments.

He died five days later with lung damage reminiscent of SARS and MERS, another coronavirus-related outbreak, doctors at the Fifth Medical Center of PLA General Hospital in Beijing said in a Feb. 16 study in the Lancet medical journal. Blood tests showed an over-activation of a type of infection-fighting cell that accounted for part of the “severe immune injury” he sustained, the authors said.

Controversially, he had been given 80 milligrams twice daily of methylprednisolone, an immune-suppressing corticosteroid drug that’s in common use in China for severe cases, though has been linked to “prolonged viral shedding” in earlier studies of MERS, SARS and influenza, according to the WHO.

The patient’s doctors recommended corticosteroids be considered alongside ventilator support for severely ill patients to prevent a deadly complication known as acute respiratory distress syndrome.

He was given at least double what would typically be recommended for patients with the syndrome and other respiratory indications, said Reed Siemieniuk, a general internist and a health research methodologist at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario. Based on what was observed with MERS, the drug may delay viral clearance in Covid-19 patients, he said.

“Corticosteroids could cause more harm than good because of that risk,” Siemieniuk said in an interview. “I wouldn’t want to let a patient die without trying steroids, but I would wait until patients were extremely ill.”
 

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And more bad news from Italy, Korea, Iran, Japan, etc.

Here is just small part of an AP News story:
https://apnews.com/783c7a396adf5f99b8cff399f9478e36
Health officials worry as untraceable virus clusters emerge
...

“A number of spot fires, occurring around the world is a sign that things are ticking along, and what we are going to have here is probably a pandemic,” said Ian Mackay, who studies viruses at Australia’s University of Queensland.

That worst-case isn’t here yet, the WHO insists. It isn’t convinced that countries outside China need more draconian measures, but it pointed to spikes in cases in Iran and South Korea to warn that time may be running out to contain the virus.

“What we see is a very different phase of this outbreak depending where you look,” said WHO’s Dr. Sylvie Briand. “We see different patterns of transmission in different places.”

The World Health Organization defines a “global pandemic” as a disease spreading on two continents, though some public health experts would call an outbreak a pandemic if the spread is over a wide area or across many international borders.

The newest red flag: Iran has reported 28 cases, including five deaths, in just days. The cluster began in the city of Qom, a popular religious destination, but it’s not clear how. Worse, infected travelers from Iran already have been discovered in Lebanon and Canada.


And Italy seems to be in some sort of crisis management mode but is not actually quarantining people. They lock down towns but then the police don't actually stop people from entering or leaving the towns that are under orders to quarantine. Curious.

https://apnews.com/bda63e372d4d0e5f393744e2cff6fdf1
Italy cancels Venice carnival in bid to halt spread of virus

CODOGNO, Italy (AP) — Scrambling to contain rapidly rising number of new coronavirus infections in Italy, the largest amount outside Asia, authorities on Sunday stepped up measures to ban public gatherings, including stopping Venice’s famed carnival events, which has drawn tens of thousands of revelers to a region that is now in the heart of the outbreak.

“The ordinance is immediately operative and will go into effect at midnight,″ announced Veneto regional Gov. Luca Zaia, whose area includes Venice. Carnival, which draws tens of thousands of visitors to the lagoon city, would have run through Tuesday. Buses, trains and other forms of public transport — including boats in Venice — were being disinfected, Zaia told reporters.

Authorities said three people in Venice have tested positive for the COVID-19 virus, all of them in their late 80s and who are hospitalized in critical condition.

Nearly all of Italy’s 133 cases are clustered in the north, at least 25 of them in the Veneto region.

Authorities expressed frustration they haven’t been able to track down the source of the virus spread in the north . . . “The health officials haven’t been yet able to pinpoint Patient Zero,″ ...

At first, it was widely presumed that the man was infected by an Italian friend he dined with and who recently returned from his job, based in Shanghai. When the friend tested negative for the virus, attention turned to several Chinese who live in town and who frequent the same cafe visited by the stricken man. But Lombardy Gov. Attilio Fontana told reporters all of those Chinese have tested negative, too.

In Lombardy, with 90 cases, so far the hardest-hit region, schools and universities were ordered to stay closed in the coming days, and sporting events were canceled. Lombardy’s ban on public events also extended to Masses in churches ...

Museums, schools, universities and other public venues will be shut as well in Venice and the rest of Veneto. The shutdown is expected to last at least through March 1.

In Turin, the main city of the northern Piedmont region, three cases were diagnosed, and a family of three were being tested for possible contagion, authorities said. That region also announced closure of all schools and universities.

The biggest jump in cases of confirmed COVID-19 was reported by authorities in Lombardy, a populous region which includes the country’s financial capital, Milan. Nearly all the cases were in the countryside, mainly in Codogno and neighboring towns, where only grocery stores and pharmacies were apparently allowed to stay open.

People were urged to stay indoors in Lombardy and Veneto. But while a lock-down of many small towns had been announced on Saturday, police at the entrance to Codogno, one of the hardest-hit towns, weren’t stopping cars entering or leaving . . . (remainder of story at the link above)


Mixed messages appear in Australia.

No need to worry ... pandemic is inevitable :hammer:

Again, just the first bits of a longer article. For full story => https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...-s-chief-medical-officer-20200223-p543gf.html

No need for face masks says Australia's chief medical officer, as Victoria braces for pandemic


The nation's chief medical officer has told Australians there is no need for face masks and to go about their normal business only hours before Victoria's chief medical officer Doctor Brett Sutton said a coronavirus pandemic may be unavoidable.

Dr Sutton took to Twitter on Sunday and in a six-part message said a surge in cases was "inevitable."

"It's clear that with local transmission in several countries that a pandemic is very likely, if not inevitable. We are working rapidly on planning and surge with our health sector," Dr Sutton said.



And then this story from TIME Magazine ...

https://time.com/5786657/tokyo-olympics-coronavirus-asia-china/

Could the 2020 Tokyo Olympics Be a Victim of COVID-19?

I won't bother to quote bits of the story but you can go to the link. It's a good bit of economic doom and gloom and general fear about the outbreak and how it is wreaking havoc on Asia along with projections of problems like cancelling or moving the 2020 Olympic games.



China continues with its counting games?
 

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The Dow is down 1000 points today on corona virus fears. It is spreading rapidly in Italy with towns shutdown. I am confused, on one hand the powers at be say its not as bad as the seasonal flu but those same powers are shutting down towns and restricting travel. Which way is it?. I have never seen a response in my lifetime for the flu like this have you? Marty
 
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