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Bad News for the Republicans if they don't WAKE UP soon

Melensdad

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As a long time member of both the GOP and the Libertarian parties, I really see that the Republicans have lost their way and moved way left, especially on spending issues and government bloat. The new leadership of the GOP, Michael Steele, is a Maryland liberal GOP member and doesn't see core issues like gun ownership, small government, abortion, government spending, federal takeover of state issues, and many other issues as anything that he can't throw under a bus when its convenient for him. I think that is a big mistake. The Tea Party movement is born out of rejecting BOTH the policies of the Democrats and the Republicans that inflate government and create a situation where government becomes a nanny state.

So now there is a movement to turn the Tea Party movement into its own political movement. Of course the Republicans want to fold the Tea Party movement into the GOP, but leaders like Michael Steele, who pretend to be conservative despite quasi-liberal credentials, can't pull these people into his party unless he surrenders to them. The Tea Party movement is not part of the GOP, it is intent on either replacing the now centrist GOP or restoring it to its former conservative base.
Tea Party Movement Evolves Into Political Force With Eye Toward 2010
FOXNews.com http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/15/tea-party-movement-evolves-political-force/

The "tea party" movement that gained steam shortly after President Obama took office is seeing a surge in popularity, with a string of candidates and officials willing to take up its cause and a political infrastructure that's starting to mirror that of an actual political party.

What started as a conservative protest klatch has evolved into a political force with enough muscle to potentially alter the course of the 2010 mid-term elections.

The "tea party" movement that gained steam shortly after President Obama took office is seeing a surge in popularity with a string of candidates and officials willing to take up its cause and a political infrastructure that's starting to mirror that of an actual political party.

The tea party activists rallied for smaller government and lower taxes again on Capitol Hill Tuesday afternoon -- among the headliners were Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., and former Texas Rep. Dick Armey, whose FreedomWorks group has acted as somewhat of an umbrella organization.

That's just the latest affirmation of tea party momentum:

-- Various tea party groups and supporters, including FreedomWorks, are launching political action committees to back candidates financially in the 2010 elections.

-- A Rasmussen poll last week showed that more voters would rather elect a "Tea Party" congressional candidate than a Republican one.

-- A documentary film was recently released tracking the evolution of the movement.

-- And several groups are pulling together the National Tea Party Convention in early February in Nashville, where former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is set to headline.

Sherry Phillips, vice president of convention organizer Tea Party Nation, said the event will be a chance for hundreds of delegates to figure out the future of the movement.

"It needs to move past just the rallies," Phillips told FoxNews.com. "We can't just stand around holding signs."

Prominent Republicans including Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann and Tennessee Rep. Marsha Blackburn plan to speak at the convention. Phillips said the overarching goal of the tea partiers is to affect the 2010 elections and support candidates who reflect their values.

She said there's a split within the multifaceted movement over whether tea party should be big "T" or little "t." In other words, do the activists form their own party, officially, or try to influence the composition of the existing ones?

Tea Party Nation opposes the creation of a new third party. And FreedomWorks' Matt Kibbe said the special election in upstate New York last month -- in which Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman drove the Republican candidate out of the race with the help of tea party activists -- can be considered an "anomaly." (Hoffman ended up losing narrowly to Democrat Bill Owens.)

"I think a more practical solution is to take over the GOP," Kibbe said, explaining that the tea party movement can have the most impact by directing volunteers and money in support of GOP candidates who reflect their small-government values.

He mentioned Pennsylvania, where Pat Toomey is carrying the conservative banner in the U.S. Senate race, and Florida, where Marco Rubio is doing the same, as two model states. "We're going to see a new set of leaders in Washington come November," Kibbe said.

FreedomWorks, meanwhile, is planning to put its money where its mouth is in the coming months. Armey told Fox News his group will start a PAC, not to fund candidates directly but to fund activities who support them.

Organizer Eric Odom recently launched his Liberty First PAC, and Phillips said her group is also considering creating a PAC.

The Republican Party would prefer to invite tea partiers into the fold rather than run against them in general elections, and this may force a change in the makeup of the GOP itself. Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele said his hope is that "we can all come together." "This is the conservative party of the country," Steele said. "We offer that ... political infrastructure, if you will, if you want to run for office or if you want to be involved politically. This is the best place to do it."

The Rasmussen poll spelled out the kind of vote-splitting trouble the tea party movement could stir if it forms a third party. It showed that 23 percent of people would pick a "Tea Party" candidate on a congressional ballot without knowing who that candidate is, while just 18 percent would pick the Republican. Thirty-six percent would pick a Democrat.

The poll of 1,000 likely voters was conducted Dec. 4-5 and had a margin of error of 3 percentage points.​
 

Alonzo Tubbs

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I've thought about this, long and hard, for some time now and have reached several conclusions. You may or may not agree with me but I'm thankfull we have this forum to openly discuss this issue.

Historicaly, third parties have been self defeating. By sapping votes away from the party idealogicaly nearest to them, they insure the election of the party farthist from their own views. While I'm in complete and total agreement with the tea baggers, the numbers do not add up to electorial victory as a stand alone party. They are far more effective working from within the established political framework of the established parties, backing the candidate most accuratley reflecting their own views in contrast to the opposition. I do, however, support the concept of backing the oppostion if our own candidates are total frauds- RINO's.

By letting candidates know they either represent us or sit this one out we get rid of the charlatans and grow our own movement. Eventually, even a politician can figure out which side of the bread the butter's on. Lord knows, they do like our butter.

I will enjoy reading other views on this subject from intelligent respondants capable of intelligent thought. If the best you can do is call people asshats, please sit this one out.

Lem Foutes was the origional "tea bagger", he just didn't have the title.
 
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darroll

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Where are the conservatives in the Republican party?
I don’t see any.
 
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