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Old 10-19-2018, 10:36 PM
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Default Mounting a winch on a tilt deck trailer

I am thinking to mount a winch on the front of my tilt deck trailer to have more controlled loading and unloading of my cat, especially in tight areas like inside my shop. I had a couple of questions I was hoping someone with experience in this could help me out with:

1. If my cat has a gvwr of 3800 pounds fully loaded what size winch do I need?

2. Would it be safe to mount the winch plate to the front frame rail of the trailer using U-bolts? (picture below) I am not sure I can even get I flush due to the ram.

3. I was thinking of using a pullzall or a come along to do the unloading, any thoughts on this?

4. Anyone have any ideas on how I could unload the cat (1404 Imp) safely without any power or brakes on the cat?

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REALLY----SELL YOUR CAT----ARE YOU KIDDING----YOUR FORD F150 WEIGHTS MORE THAN THAT-----DID U REALLY POST THOSE QUESTIONS---U NEED A REAL LIFE----LOL NO WINCH NEEDED----JUST HAD TO DO IT -----BOARING
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Default Re: Mounting a winch on a tilt deck trailer

Huh? What does any of that even mean? Why are you yelling all the time?
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Default Re: Mounting a winch on a tilt deck trailer

A 5K lb. winch would be more than enough, a 3K would probably work..

I think the U bolt idea would be handy, but given your tilt cylinder is kind of in the way, a plate welded to the frame behind the lift cylinder would be more permanent, and stronger.

Dead cats are the real reason for a winch. You should not actually need one for simple loading and unloading. Your Imp should very controllable climbing on and off, unless your deck is covered in ice. Keep your trailer scooped clean of snow, and this will not happen... btw..

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Default Re: Mounting a winch on a tilt deck trailer

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REALLY----SELL YOUR CAT----ARE YOU KIDDING----YOUR FORD F150 WEIGHTS MORE THAN THAT-----DID U REALLY POST THOSE QUESTIONS---U NEED A REAL LIFE----LOL NO WINCH NEEDED----JUST HAD TO DO IT -----BOARING
Topwelder44, you are the definition of dickhead. The guy has a newbie question about his snowcat and that is your idiotic response? By the way, besides the yelling, why don't you learn how to spell....Bob
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Default Re: Mounting a winch on a tilt deck trailer

When it comes to sizing winches, I recall a rule of thumb that the winch capacity should be 1 1/2 times the gross vehicle weight; so about 6K lbs. Something to keep in mind is that the winch capacity rating is measured with the winch cable's first winding on the drum. That sounds a bit confusing but basically the cable is contacting the drum- when the cable is almost fully payed out. If you have a 100' cable, the winch's capacity is significantly reduced when the cable is mostly on the drum.

Adding a snatch block, or pulley doubles the winch's power. You could attach a snatch block to your Imp and run the cable through that and then hook the end back to the trailer near the winch. (Of course that also doubles the length of time to winch the cable in.)

The photo of the trailer doesn't really show the whole setup, but I'm (somewhat) speculating your trailer is the type often paired with an Imp with the deck open in the center and the track areas covered with expanded metal. I would think you'd want the winch attached to the front of the tilt deck, so when the deck tilts up the winch does as well. That might involve a fairly simple bracket welded to the trailer the winch bolts to.

Until recently I had a somewhat hokey trailer setup with railroad tie cribbing used to get the tracks above the fenders. That also meant a couple of large wood blocks on top of the ramps to help the tracks get to the top of the railroad ties. In near ideal conditions; no problem, but there were a few white knuckle loading experiences when the machine started going sideways while loading. NOT fun, and a winch would have made for a much more controlled process.

Good Luck...I think it's a great idea!
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Default Re: Mounting a winch on a tilt deck trailer

This is how I loaded a dead cat. Winch on the cat assisted by the Jeep's winch connected with a pulley system. The cat winch was pretty weak without the engine running. We ran a set of jumper cables out to another vehicle. It worked.
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Default Re: Mounting a winch on a tilt deck trailer

X2 with Blackfoot Tucker recommendation of 1-1/2 times max load weight.
There are some decent winch’s out now for reasonable prices such as Smittybuilt. I think even Warn makes small ones now reasonably priced.

Mounting a winch is fairly easy, just make sure the winch is mounted securely. If your not sure about it consult someone who is in the know. You can also hook the cable to the end of the trailer and give it a pull stall test. You don’t want the winch pulling off and flying at your face, or even worse the snowcat sliding off the trailer and getting damaged!

You’ll need to mount a battery also, or run some power cable to the back of the tow rig.

A come-a-long is an good emergency backup I always carry one, but is not a very good primary for this kind of stuff.

Good luck with your project
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Default Re: Mounting a winch on a tilt deck trailer

Another thing that you can do if the trailer is dedicated to that cat is mount two
4x4 or 6x6 narrower than the inside of the tracks and it keeps the cat from sliding sideways when loading or unloading and even traveling.

We have seen snowcats come off the side especially on iced metal decks
Itís not good for people or the cats if it drops off the side.
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Default Re: Mounting a winch on a tilt deck trailer

Thanks for all the responses, this has given me some good ideas. The trailer I have is for a Spryte and not an Imp, so the center channel is too wide to fit between the tracks. I was thinking to sell this trailer and try and find one for the Imp but not that easy where I am, and I like that the cat is higher off the ground so it is not eating as much of the salt and gravel from the road. Plus I can carry extra gear, even a sled on the back of the trailer with the cat loaded. I had to bolt some wood planks to the deck to raise the tracks about a quarter inch above the channel rails as to not bend or break the grousers when loading or the cat. The problem is that when the wood freezes it gives nothing for the grousers to bite into and it slides all over the place or worse - it can't even climb. I had a few bad experiences last year even when loading, even on a snowmobile ramp where I almost slid off the side when I braked. My original plan was to staple some old snowmobile track to the planks but I can't find any. Makes me wonder where all the old track goes. I think this year I am just going to move the channel rails closer together as well. For the guys with the sprytes and matching trailer, roughly how much space is there between the channel rail and the inside track?
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