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I'm HAPPY that Obama got elected!!!

Melensdad

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The more I think about it, the happier I am that Obama was elected.

First, I don't think that McCain would have really been much different. He was a very centrist candidate based on his past voting record. He would have probably further eroded our rights and moved the US to the left.

Second, I think the GOP would have further lost its values and core beliefs as it would have followed McCain to the center. This would have further weakened the GOP.

Third, I think that an Obama/Pelosi/Reid administration/House/Senate will try to move us as far to the left as possible in a short period of time. I think they will do as much damage to traditional values as they possibly can. This said, I think they will expose the current Democratic party for what it really as evolved to. It is run by, dominated by, many radicals and the 3 leaders at the top typify this radical left. There are several 'Blue Dog' Democrats who will resist. But the radical left will not tolerate those good southern Democrats.

Fourth, I think the GOP will have an opportunity to find it core beliefs again. If it does not, then the GOP will collapse and a new party, either the Constitution or the Libertarian party will rise. We may well see a new conservative movement in our land because of Obama.

Fifth, I think that there is now finally a real opportunity for the rise of a viable 3rd Party if the GOP does not respond. If so, then we may well see a future "coalition" type government where parties share power to gain support. This may lead to a real conservative movement in politics.

Sixth, I think the Democrats may actually end up splitting apart and the radical left may be left out in the cold as the traditional Democrats either move to the GOP or, perhaps, the traditional Democrats may throw the leftists bums out into a new Radical Democratic party (exposing Socialists for what they really are).

Yes, I believe we are in for tough times. It will be hard for individuals to maintain their rights. But in the long run this may be a good thing for us to face, and ultimately beat down.
 

The Tourist

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Actually I think this is case of "careful what you ask for."

In truth, the next President, no matter who he might have been, is going to fail.

A two-front war with no real allies. Inflation. Unemployment. Baby boomers leaving the job market. Decreasing tax funded revenue streams. Yikes, Even Darth Vader failed and he had cooler suits.

I'm not sure a Dem was the choice. You're not going to pull us out of this by "taxing yourself rich" or creating even more layers of government and regulation.

As always in government, and historic Greek dramas, you need a villian and a hero. Think of this as a modern day Carter/Reagan scenario.

Our new President Elect (whether it is to be Obama or some other schlep fall-guy) will bumble around and crash, make things worse and fail to provide any real delivery of a campaign promise. Like many first responders we will get sucked up into the very thing he is fighting.

The real problem is BHO's promise of 'real change.' In doing that, he has trucked in so many cubic yards of hubris that he can never gain the ideals of those grandiose speeches.

After that failure, some guy--any guy--will wonder into the battered Oval Office and do something positive. One thing. Done Right. He'll be a hero.

And as I said, think of Reagan and Carter. Carter worked sincerely late into each evening for this country. Very honest man. Later after he left office, a military jet fighter dropped its landing gear during a dogfight and Reagan smirked, "Make my day." You could feel the pride change in this country.

Now, I'm a redneck strict constructionist. I've voted a right-wing, straight-ticket ballot all but once.

Even if the roles were reversed and McCain won the elction, he would fail the four year tenure. The public turned out to vote in droves. We wanted and needed so much, we became so emotionally invested.

How can 'reality' ever measure up to that?
 

Melensdad

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Even if the roles were reversed and McCain won the elction, he would fail the four year tenure. The public turned out to vote in droves. We wanted and needed so much, we became so emotionally invested.

How can 'reality' ever measure up to that?

I think many people let emotion cloud judgement.

It strikes me that many people actually didn't vote FOR Obama, but rather voted AGAINST Bush. McCain being the proxy for Bush.

Still, good can come of this.

One GOOD thing that may actually come out of this is improved race relations. We may also see blacks actually aspire, as a group, to work and achieve. I know many blacks individually aspire and work and get ahead, but as a group they do not. (yes I know that is a broad stroke statement, I do not mean to offend, but it is true that many did not see any future so they gave up) They see hope in Obama. I can only hope they will work for themselves to achieve things and that will be a great thing for our nation.
 

CityGirl

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As always in government, and historic Greek dramas, you need a villian and a hero. Think of this as a modern day Carter/Reagan scenario.


Iiiiiiiiiii dunno! May be more like a Hoover/FDR scenario.
 
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The Tourist

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many blacks individually aspire...I do not mean to offend.

I know what you mean. If anything it would be great not to have to parse your own speech to state an honest opinion.

The problem with BHO's prose is that he simply underwrites the idea of soaking the rich to fund entitlements.

I worked in finance--and got out!

There's nothing to soak. This idle chatter about "golden parachutes" and destroying the country is easy bubba bait. In fact, if you agree by contract to pay me upon my severance, you had better be darn sure you pony up the money or talk to my attorney.

In a country buttressed up by trillions of dollars and layers of unpaid debt, the pay-out of twenty or thirty millions means nothing. Before this current economy, a female CEO from a doll company in my area was fired over her performance, and walked away with millions. Within weeks she got a new job.

The real modus here is jealousy. As a credit manager I made more than a line mechanic, and I've been fired. If I went back to work now I would still make more, even with black marks on my resume' of employment.

Jealousy I can understand. However ramping up that ideal to class and racial warfare to tip an election is reprehensible.

What is going to happen when these voters find out they've been hoodwinked? After they toss a few CEOs into the slammer, regulate severance packages, tax a few corporations out of existence, publicize the events and nothing improves, what then?

Ask your average Joe Lunchbox to define "The Keating Five." In most cases he'll think it's the front offensive line of a football team.

And when this same shell-game endures at the hands of the first black President...
 

pirate_girl

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Still, good can come of this.

One GOOD thing that may actually come out of this is improved race relations. We may also see blacks actually aspire, as a group, to work and achieve. I know many blacks individually aspire and work and get ahead, but as a group they do not. (yes I know that is a broad stroke statement, I do not mean to offend, but it is true that many did not see any future so they gave up) They see hope in Obama. I can only hope they will work for themselves to achieve things and that will be a great thing for our nation.
I'll repeat what I said to you earlier today Bob... precisely :thumb:
 

RedRocker

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By this time next year reality will have set in that the messiah ain't gonna
be able to come through with the rent and car payments for his disciples.
The poo will hit the fan when not one damn thing changes cept for smaller paychecks. I will take great pleasure in saying I told you so for the next 4 years. :bonk:
 

Spiffy1

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Iiiiiiiiiii dunno! May be more like a Hoover/FDR scenario.

:eek:

Perhaps I was optimistic when I feared a Clinton scenario: technology or some sector, by coincidence, booms, leading the whole eccomony in such a HappyHappyJoyJoy mentality that no-one notices goverment redistributing wealth in manners to really cause some pain in the next crash, all while they themselves forget how to live within their own means. And icing on the cake, HappyHappyJoyJoy lasted long enough to coat leftwingers in Telfon.

Again, I hope Bob and PG a right about the optimistic side here, but the fact that so many people, of all colors, voted based on handout promises, still has me worried about the direction of this country no matter who's at the helm.
 

The Tourist

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the fact that so many people, of all colors, voted based on handout promises.

However, the reason for that was that they were all on the deck chairs of the same sinking ship.

In my area, they closed a big truck assembly plant in Janesville, Wisconsin. Will BHO come and help those folks if Jesse Jackson and Oprah Winfrey tell him he's needed elsewhere?

How do you think the liberals themselves will feel when they get their first property tax bill?

How will military families feel when stop-loss doesn't end, but the coffins continue home?

What will BHO do when he finds out that folks like me with modest disposable incomes have adopted a "wait and see" attitude on new spending?

Who's going to replace the tax revenue stream of retiring 'boomers?

More importantly, who will he blame?

The House, Senate and Executive Branch are all run by liberals.

Ya' know, as an old biker I have to admit that there's a certain pleasure about being near a train wreck and there's absolutely no way the powers that be can pin it on me.

He'd better get my Social Security check to me on time. The next march might not be a parade of people of color, but one of gray hair. And we vote, but this time it might be unified. And no candidate can withstand the ballots of 78 million angry people.
 

mtntopper

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I received this as an email and I don't know who the author was for sure. It mirrors many of my thoughts about the next 4 years. A long read but interesting. I edited some of the swear words that were not appropriate.:mrgreen:

It is not the end of the world

It's easy to let yourself go in despair and start thinking things like "We are well-and-truly screwed” or "this is the worst of all possible outcomes". But it isn't true.

I think this election is going to be a "coming of age" moment for a lot of people. They say, "Be careful what you wish for" and a lot of people got their wish.

And now they're bound to be disappointed. Not even Jesus could satisfy all the expectations of Obama's most vocal supporters, or fulfill all the promises Obama has made.

I think Obama is going to turn out to be the worst president since Carter, and for the same reason: good intentions do not guarantee good results. Idealists often stub their toes on the wayward rocks of reality, and fall on their faces. And the world doesn't respond to benign behavior benignly.

But there's another reason why: Obama has been hiding his light under a basket. A lot of people bought a pig in a poke, and now they're going to find out what they bought. Obama isn't what most of them think he is. The intoxication of the cult will wear off, leaving a monumental hangover.

And four years from now they'll be older and much wiser.

A lot of bad things are going to happen during this term. But I don't think that this is an irreversible catastrophe for the union. I've lived long enough to absorb this basic truth: the US is too large and too strong to destroy in just 4 years. Or even in 8. We survived 6 years of Nixon. We survived 4 years of Carter. We even survived 8 years of Clinton, God alone knows how.

The President of the United States is the most powerful political figure in the world, but as national executives go his powers are actually quite restricted. Obama will become President, but he won't be dictator or king, let alone deity. He still has to work with the House and the Senate, and he still has to live within Constitutional restrictions, and with a judiciary that he mostly didn't appoint.

The main reason this will be a "coming of age" moment is that now Obama and the Democrats have to put up or shut up. Obama got elected by making himself a blank slate, with vapid promises about "hope" and "change" but now he actually has to do something. Now he has to reveal his true
agenda. And with the Democrats also having a majority in both chambers of Congress, now the Democrats really have to lead. And they're not going to do a very good job of it. It's going to be amusing to watch.

And the people who fell for the demagoguery will learn an invaluable lesson.

Oh, the Democrats try to blame failure on Republican filibusters, of which there will be many. But that's always been a factor in our system, and many people believe it's an important check on government excess. The tradition in the Senate is that it is supposed to be a buffer against transient political fads, and the filibuster is a major part of that.

If the Democrats go all in, and change the filibuster rule, then they'll have truly seized the nettle with both hands and won't have any excuses any longer. That's why they won't do it. It's their last fig-leaf. But even with the filibuster rule in place, they'll be stuck trying to deliver now on all the promises implied, or inferred, during this election. The Republicans can only filibuster on bills the Democrats have already proposed.

And it isn’t possible for the Democrats to deliver what's been promised. Going to be a hell of a lot of disillusioned lefties out there. A lot of people who felt they were deceived. A lot of people will eventually realize that the Obama campaign was something of a cult.

Disillusionment will turn to a feeling of betrayal. And that will, in turn, convert to anger.

In the mean time, Obama and Congressional Democrats will do things that cause harm, but very little of it will be irreversible.

I would have enjoyed watching lefty heads explode if McCain had won. But we're going to see lefty heads exploding anyway; it's just going to take longer.

In the mean time, those of us who didn't want Obama to be president have to accept that he is. And let's not give in to the kind of paranoid fever dreams that have consumed the left for the last 8 years. Let us collectively take a vow; no "Obama derangement syndrome". Obama is a politician. He isn't the devil incarnate.

So what are the good sides of what just happened?

1. It is no longer possible for anyone to deny that the MSM is heavily biased. The MSM have been biased for decades but managed an illusion of fairness. That is no longer possible; the MSM have squandered their credibility during this campaign. They'll never get that credibility back again.

2. Since the Democrats got nearly everything they hoped for in this campaign, they'll have no excuses and will have to produce. They'll have to reveal their true agenda -- or else make clear that they don't really have any beyond gaining power.

3. Every few decades the American people have to be reminded that peace only comes with strength. The next four years will be this generation's lesson.

Now, a few predictions for the next four years:

1. Obama's "hold out your hand to everyone" foreign policy is going to be a catastrophe. They'll love it in Europe. They're probably laughing their heads off about it in the Middle East already.

2. The US hasn't suffered a terrorist attack by al Qaeda since 9/11, but we'll get at least one during Obama's term.

3. We're going to lose in Afghanistan.

4. Iran will get nuclear weapons. There will be a possibility of nuclear war between Iran
and Israel. (This is the only irreversibly terrible thing I see upcoming, and it's very bad indeed.)

5. There will eventually be a press backlash against Obama which will make their treatment of Bush look mild. Partly that's going to be because Obama is going to disappoint them just as much as all his other supporters. Partly it will be the MSM desperately trying to regain its own credibility, by trying to show that they're not in his tank any longer. And because of that they are eventually going to do the reporting they should have done during this campaign, about Obama's less-than-savory friends, and about voter fraud, and about illegal fund-raising, and about a lot of other things.

6. Obama will not be re-elected in 2012. He may even end up doing an LBJ and not even running again.

One last thing: I'm not saying I'm happy with this outcome. I would much rather have had McCain win. But this is not the end of the world, or the end of this nation. We've survived much worse.

And now we need to show the lefties how to lose. Our mission for the next four years is to be in opposition without becoming deranged.

UPDATE: One other good thing: no one will be spinning grand conspiracy theories about this administration's Vice President being an evil, conniving genius who is the true power behind the throne.
 

The Tourist

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I do look forward to how the media plans to spin his missteps.

For example, if ten million people lose their jobs will the media say, "Millions of Americans are now enjoying an early retirement due to the financial intervention of President Obama."

If a bunch of older Americans die due to the poor handling of Social Security will the media report, "The need to underwrite Social Security has lessened under Obama's hand."

If fatal HIV strains gallop through the population due to costing cutting and poor education will the media report, "President Obama has managed to turn the tide on the number complaints about same sex marriage."

If racial discussion flares into riots will we hear, "President Obama has the two sides interacting."

And if the war still continues, "Who else but President Obama can luxuriate our noble troops in a fully paid balmy climate while reducing the number of veterans who need continuing VA care..."
 
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darroll

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I read the stats about the election. They claimed that the people at or below age 30 voted Obama in.
Then another stat shows that about the same amount of people voted in 2008 that voted in the 2004 election.
Something does not add up. Did the old voters stay at home or is this another stat not worth the paper it’s written on.
This also could show the new registered voters did not vote?
Who voted him in?
Darroll
 

tiredretired

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I love these old threads.

Good points Mel made back in 08, but I think at least if McCain had gotten elected we would never of had those awful Kagan & Soto-Mayer in SCOTUS.

Maybe the Arizona & DeathPanelCare laws would have gone differently. Who knows?
 

Kane

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After nearly four years of Hussein it all seems a waste. At a point in our history in need of strong leadership, the only tangible accomplishment has been to manifest deep divisions among the American people. Black against white. Rich against poor.

All in accordance with Alinsky's plan.
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Danang Sailor

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When November roles around, remember the Daly Machine motto: "Vote Early and Vote Often!"

And maybe remember one of mine: "Stock up on ammo while you still can - you're liable to need it!"

 
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