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Triumph of Capitalism: Jobless Nations

Bamby

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The Obama administration is intent on applying supply side principles to get the American economy out of the present recession, but supply side principles are based on the belief that if the government cuts taxes on the wealthy, they will invest their savings in new factories, that newly hired workers will increase employment, and that more output will increase tax receipts. But there is no way to make sure the wealthy actually invest their wealth in productive enterprises, especially in the U.S.

This entire theory is based on the mere pop-psychological belief that if you give a person money, s/he will invest it in productive ways. But nothing forces wealthy people to do that, and they haven't, worse, never really have, since creating jobs is not an essential business function, only making money is, and getting financial incentives from government is merely another way of making money, Giving money to businesses will not end recessions or depressions. In fact, it is likely to prolong them, since businesses will not create jobs until it is evident that those jobs will result in profits.

During the California Gold Rust, merchants went to the camps only after gold was discovered, and they left when the lode petered out. They did not use the capital they acquired from the miners to open productive businesses to provide jobs to the now jobless prospectors. In capitalist economies, capital is not acquired to be spent; it is acquired to be accumulated. Businesses do not exist to create jobs. Jobs are created by businesses only when it suits their purposes.


Beliefs in conventional wisdom are always dangerous. More often than not, conventional wisdom is wrong. But there are two kinds of conventional wisdom—the pro and the con. Every bit on conventional wisdom has its naysayers, and just as conventional wisdom can amount to nothing more than mere beliefs, so can the beliefs of naysayers. For instance, that today's economy is failing is rather evident, but many critics of it seem to believe that the problems with today's economy are of recent origin. But that's false. The economy today is little different in essence than it was is the 1600s when the colonists brought it with them from England. The horrors of England's 17th Century economy then are exactly its horrors today. Wealth held in the hands of a few and poverty experienced by the many. High levels of crime infused throughout society. Widespread unemployment, underemployment, and degrading employment. The destruction of human dignity. Homelessness, hunger, and frequent wars fought by common people for the benefit of the merchant class. Prevalent discrimination of various kinds. Government which governs for the wealthy and not for the people in general. And although there have been short-lived periods when the people were led to believe that their prospects were improving, these periods have regularly ended in economic collapses that wiped out any gains the common people had acquired.

The universal features of this economy are exemplified in the following historical vignette.

On January 24, 1848, gold was discovered by James W. Marshall at Sutter's Mill in Coloma, California.
When people learned about the discovery, hundreds of thousands rushed to California. Wherever gold was discovered, miners collaborated to put up a camp and stake claims. Rough and Ready, Hangtown, and Portuguese Flat, among many others, sprang up, and merchants flocked to them, set up business in hastily built buildings, lean-tos, tents, and anywhere else serviceable to sell everything imaginable. Miners lived in tents, shanties, and deck cabins removed from abandoned ships. Each camp often had its own saloon and gambling house. Women of various ethnicities played various roles including that of prostitute and single entrepreneurs.

At first, the gold was simply "free for the taking." Disputes were often handled personally and violently. When gold became increasingly difficult to retrieve, Americans began to drive out foreigners. The State Legislature passed a foreign miners tax of twenty dollars per month, and American prospectors began organized attacks on foreigners, particularly Latin Americans and Chinese. In addition, the huge numbers of newcomers drove Native Americans out of their traditional hunting, fishing and gathering areas. Some responded by attacking miners. This provoked counter-attacks. The natives were often slaughtered. Those who escaped were unable to survive and starved to death. Natives succumbed to smallpox, influenza, and measles in large numbers. The Act for the Government and Protection of Indians, passed by the California Legislature, allowed settlers to capture and use natives as bonded workers and traffic in Native American labor, particularly that of young women and children, which was carried on as a legal business enterprise. Native American villages were regularly raided to supply the demand, and young women and children were carried off to be sold. The toll on the American immigrants could be severe as well: one in twelve forty-niners perished, as the death and crime rates during the Gold Rush were extraordinarily high, and the resulting vigilantism also took its toll.

Hydraulicking as a means of extracting the gold became prevalent. A byproduct of this was that large amounts of gravel, silt, heavy metals, and other pollutants went into streams and rivers. Many areas still bear the scars of hydraulic mining since the resulting exposed earth and downstream gravel deposits are unable to support plant life.

The merchants made far more money than the miners. The wealthiest man in California during the early years of the Gold Rush was Samuel Brannan, the tireless self-promoter, shopkeeper and newspaper publisher. About half the prospectors made a modest profit. Most, however, made little or wound up losing money. By 1855, the economic climate had changed dramatically. Gold could be retrieved profitably from the goldfields only by medium to large groups of workers, either in partnerships or as employees. By the mid-1850s, it was the owners of these gold-mining companies who made the money. When the lode petered-out, the merchants abandoned the sites faster than the miners. The gold rush was over.
I have, in the past, written about many of these horrid features of Capitalist economies, especially its abject immorality. Today I want to discuss an obvious falsehood that still gets repeated especially by right wing politicians and their counterparts in the economics profession and the business community, that is, businesses, not governments, create jobs.

This generic claim is, of course, obviously false and its generality makes it grossly ambiguous. What precisely does it mean, especially since the politicians who utter it spend piles of money and time trying to get jobs that are not created by any business? No business created the jobs of Congressman or President, so what sense does it make for such a person to claim that businesses, not government, creates jobs? The claim is utterly stupid.

In fact, businesses have no interest in creating jobs. Consider the vignette described above. Merchants flocked to the mining camps after gold was discovered and they left when the lode petered out. They did not use the capital they acquired from the miners to open productive businesses to provide jobs to the now jobless prospectors. In capitalist economies, capital is not acquired to be spent; it is acquired to be accumulated. Employees are merely means to that end, and whenever a business can accumulate capital without the use of employees, it will do it. And that is what has happened in large measure in America today. Businesses have found ways of accumulating capital without the need for American employees and government has aided and abetted businesses in doing so.
So, when a politician advocates giving financial incentives to businesses to induce them to create jobs, those politicians are involved in a ludicrous absurdity. All the proposal does is provide businesses with another tool for extracting money from common people without even having to deal with them, and the capital acquired by businesses in this way will merely be added to the capital accumulation bank. Why would a business want to create a job with it and put that capital in jeopardy? To assume that businesses will use that capital to create jobs is the fallacy of supply side economics, which, incidentally, is based on nothing but pop-psychology.

Supply side economics is based on the belief that if the government cuts taxes on the wealthy, they will invest their savings in new factories fitted with new technologies that will produce goods at lower costs, that newly hired workers will increase employment, and that more output will increase tax receipts. The economy will lift itself by its bootstraps. But there is no way to make sure the wealthy actually invest their wealth in productive enterprises, especially in the U.S. This entire theory is based on the mere pop-psychological belief that if you give a person money, s/he will do "the right thing" with it, namely, invest it in productive ways. But nothing forces wealthy people to do that, and they haven't, worse, never really have, since creating jobs is not an essential business function, only making money is, and getting financial incentives from government is merely another way of making money, Giving money to businesses will not end recessions or depressions. In fact, it is likely to prolong them, since businesses will not go where money cannot be made, because merchants are attracted to money like flies are attracted to dung. Businesses do not exist to create jobs. Jobs are created by businesses only when it suits their purposes.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26639
 

ki0ho

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I am sitting here having just read your post....and I am wondering.......why would you want to live in a country sush as this??? after all...China would be soooo much nicer place to spend ones time....Or maby cuba.....mr more says that chuba is a fantastic place...Just saying....:unsure:
 

jimbo

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It seems to me that the chief flaw in this argument is the notion that anyone in government gives a rats ass whether you have or do not have a job, food, or anything else. They don't. Given a choice between a vacation trip to Hawaii or an upgrade on their new jet, and the creation of jobs, the upgrade always wins.

Capitalization creates jobs only because the presumption is that each worker will generate more wealth for the creator. Government spends its money buying votes, and repaying those who can deliver votes, thus the takeover of Chrysler and giving it to the unions, the use of stimulus funds to pay off the SEIU and NEA, and the encouragement of illegal border invaders.
 

Doc

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Businesses do not want to simply maintain, they strive to grow in order to accumulate more weath. It takes money to grow, and many times that money is invested in new employees who, as Jimbo pointed out, will earn them more profits. The author of the article does not believe that to be true, but I feel he is wrong. His example of the merchants at the gold mines does not go past when the mine shuts down. What do you suppose the merchants did then? I suspect they went to another mine or somewhere else to keep making a living. And guess what, where ever they went if they opened their store they would have to hire folks.

So today when big business gets a windfall of cash part of it will be invested back into the business in the majority of cases. The problem today is the government has made it harder for the businesses to make money here in the US with all the regulations, so they invest the money in their company but hire folks in some other nation to manufacturer their product, and then ship it here. Our government even made that easier for all businesses with NAFTA. The workers have been more screwed over by the government with the treaties and regulations than they have by falsehoods about capitalism.
 

300 H and H

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:agree: Good post Doc... But what about wages out side of the US, dosen't this have some thing to do with bussiness moving away from here as well as the regulations?

Kirk
 

Doc

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:agree: Good post Doc... But what about wages out side of the US, dosen't this have some thing to do with bussiness moving away from here as well as the regulations?

Kirk
Yep, wages would be a part of it. Overall I would think their are quite a few different costs to doing business in any other nation and all those costs would be factored into the business decision when they decide where to manufacture their product. So many are deciding to manufacture outside of the US that it is hurting the American workers in numbers we've never seen before.

....an afterthought on my part ...but do you suppose there will come a time when American workers will move to some other country to work for an American company who has operations set up outside of the US? I know it's happening some now but I wonder if that will grow to a huge number if things continue along the track we are on?
 

Melensdad

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:agree: Good post Doc... But what about wages out side of the US, dosen't this have some thing to do with bussiness moving away from here as well as the regulations?

Kirk
Wages only have a very small part. Much less than most people think. At least that is true for high volume production like cars, toys, TVs, etc.

Much more of it is regulations. Honestly if you want to blame anyone or anything for driving jobs offshore and want to get fairly specific about it there are 2 key agencies that have done huge damage to our national economy and security. OSHA and EPA
 

jimbo

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:agree: Good post Doc... But what about wages out side of the US, dosen't this have some thing to do with bussiness moving away from here as well as the regulations?

Kirk
I think that it is misleading to cite foreign wages as a source of our problems. That we can do nothing about. It it is the wages inside the US that are the problem. Business is not going to foreign manufacturing for lower wages elsewhere but to avoid high wages in this country. Similarly, those same businesses are importing lower wage employees into the country to compensate. As these workers, generally in lower end jobs, are competing for their job, they typically are forced to become more productive at a lower wage.

Over regulation also plays a big part. For me the best example is the light bulb. Invented in the US, and at one time the US was the major manufacturer in the world, today, no bulb is being manufactured here. Not only are the bulb making jobs lost, but the mining jobs are gone. The pollution problem has not gone away, it has been exported, at the expense of the American economy.
 

Bamby

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I think that it is misleading to cite foreign wages as a source of our problems. That we can do nothing about. It it is the wages inside the US that are the problem. Business is not going to foreign manufacturing for lower wages elsewhere but to avoid high wages in this country. Similarly, those same businesses are importing lower wage employees into the country to compensate. As these workers, generally in lower end jobs, are competing for their job, they typically are forced to become more productive at a lower wage.

If we actually had some wise politicians writing the trade agreements something good actually could of came out of free trade for everybody involved. Just imagine a trade agreements written that brought workers standard of living up to resemblance to American standards. Instead what they've done is make trade agreements that will ultimately bring Americans standard of living down to third world standards we're being forced to compete against. Carefully look around it's already probably happening in your backyard...
 

jimbo

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If we actually had some wise politicians writing the trade agreements something good actually could of came out of free trade for everybody involved. Just imagine a trade agreements written that brought workers standard of living up to resemblance to American standards. Instead what they've done is make trade agreements that will ultimately bring Americans standard of living down to third world standards we're being forced to compete against. Carefully look around it's already probably happening in your backyard...
Whether the cost of labor in other countries is increased or the cost of labor in the US is decreased the result is still the same. The value of the dollar is not based on the cost of the paper it is printed on or a gold bar in a vault somewhere. Rather it is based on what it will buy. Your argument seems to be based on the presumption that the cost of foreign goods will remain the same if manufacturing costs are increased. This is not so. Even government run manufacturing in socialist countries will not exist without the expectation of profit.

Simply, if wages increase in countries importing into the US, the cost of blue jeans at Walmart will increase accordingly and your dollar buys less.
 

loboloco

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The wages argument here is a trojan horse. The US worker can produce products for roughly the same costs, it is the over regulation and multiple layers of taxation that actually kills manufacturing here.
 

300 H and H

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Well been working all day...

My bringing into the discussion the subject of wages in no way inferred I was blaming them on any thing. I was simply putting another of the reasons that we move employment else where. I agree with over regulation and some what the tax thing as well. I ain't no liberal Democrat. To leave out the wage issue would not be looking at the whole picture....Geeesh...

Kirk
 

loboloco

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Well been working all day...

My bringing into the discussion the subject of wages in no way inferred I was blaming them on any thing. I was simply putting another of the reasons that we move employment else where. I agree with over regulation and some what the tax thing as well. I ain't no liberal Democrat. To leave out the wage issue would not be looking at the whole picture....Geeesh...

Kirk
True. However, this is analogous to worrying about the worn spot in the carpet while the building is falling in from termite damage.
 
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