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oh hell........is this going to be our countries dunblane?
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First of all, this is just beyond my comprehension. How anyone who calls himself a man could perpetrate such crimes. Kindergarten and first grade children. I cannot wrap my mind around such evil.
This could very well be the beginnings of much firmer gun control and most likely will be.
O'Sappo will be emboldened by his loonie left to push through anti gun legislation and then politicize it when the Republican House fails to fall in line with the manifesto.
We have seen if play out a hundred time before. This one will be no exception.
This could very well be the beginnings of much firmer gun control and most likely will be.
O'Sappo will be emboldened by his loonie left to push through anti gun legislation and then politicize it when the Republican House fails to fall in line with the manifesto.
We have seen if play out a hundred time before. This one will be no exception.
This statement says it all
Stephen Delgiadice said “It's alarming, especially in Newtown, Connecticut, which we always thought was the safest place in America,”
Connecticut is not friendly to responsible gun ownership. Our grandchidren go to Conecticut schools. A child in their school got suspended for pointing his finger like a gun at another student during play time.
Not trying to exploit the tradgety but gun phobia does not stop this kind of madness. A capability of appropriate and equal force defense does.
Stephen Delgiadice said “It's alarming, especially in Newtown, Connecticut, which we always thought was the safest place in America,”
Connecticut is not friendly to responsible gun ownership. Our grandchidren go to Conecticut schools. A child in their school got suspended for pointing his finger like a gun at another student during play time.
Not trying to exploit the tradgety but gun phobia does not stop this kind of madness. A capability of appropriate and equal force defense does.
SShepherd
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I think this might be copycat crime, and the closer we get to the 21st we might see more people come unhinged.
Don't let anyone say this kind of tragety in a school has never happened to he us before http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster.
Don't let anyone say this kind of tragety in a school has never happened to he us before http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster.
So what is the bad news? That you are back or that your loonie leftie buddies are not, as usual, going to let a good crisis go to waste?
You haven't foretold a damm thing here. Quit being an Ass.
RedRocker
Active member
Good luck with that.
Truly the wrong time and subject for your silly ass rants.
In Norway one cannot own a gun except at a sporting club.
The perp there targeted children at a summercamp. Killed 85 in one afternoon.
He wasn't a redneck.
At Dunblame, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...prompt-tightening-gun-laws-like-Dunblane.html Thomas Hamilton should not have been able to possess a firearm at all. Guns are strictly controlled inthe UK.
Yet he killed 16 school children and a teacher.
BTW he wasn't a redneck.
And I would suggest the perp here in Connecticut wasn't a redneck either.
All three were just mad crazy. And no one in their path had the ability to stop them.
Every redneck gun owner I know has a respect for life. And I would suggest they understand "actual" gun control. I would futher suggest that everyone of them would excercise "actual" gun control if the opportunity, the challenge, to protect life, such as happened here or in Virginia Tech, or in Colorado, Or Oregon, or Britain or Norway,,,,,, putting their own life in jeapordy attempting to do so.
Owning a gun is not just a right, but a responsibility. Gun phobics just refuse to see that as a logical defense against such madness as these horrible creatures have practised in areas of Gun Controled "gun free zones."
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Shooters don't choose venues where they will be challenged. The liberals and their do-gooder sympathizers have created environments friendly to shooters, and sadly, most of them are venues that hold large groups of people...theaters, schools, malls. Every liberal, Brady Bunch, anti-gun sympathizing ass wipe should be jailed for putting these people in situations where they are unable to defend themselves and their families. They are complicit in these murders and should be called to justice. Instead, the innocent will be punished for the crimes liberals have committed, and our rights and liberties will again be threatened by the muslim squatting in the white house and his progressive wet dreams who call themselves legislators. Yes, it's VERY political, and Barry is wetting his pants with excitement thinking he's getting closer to disarming America. Good fucking luck, muzzie.
And I'm not sorry for being passionate about this. Kids were unnecessarily because of ignorance and political control freaks.
And I'm not sorry for being passionate about this. Kids were unnecessarily because of ignorance and political control freaks.
You gentlemen are trying to hold an intelligent debate with a moron. It cannot be done. This may get me in trouble but it is the truth and speaking only what others are thinking.
Yes but it gives us a chance to stand our ground and speak against such moronic thinking. We pretty much know what Mtmogs would be able to do if he were in that school today. And we know what many so called "rednecks" would do if there,,,, even if only minimaly armed.
Aside from Mtmogs admonishments and targeted insults,,,, He is quite wrong in his conclusions anyway. There is no such thing as controlling guns any more than we can control the behavior of morons who would kill innocent children.
We are a nation that has diminished the sanctity of life. Whether an act of mass murder or a single act on an innocent child, we protect the rights of the mad moron over the safety and rights of the innocent.
The only thing the last election proved is that 51% of the population is brain dead and/or suckling at the gubmit's teat. Which are you?
Very odd that calling someone by a racial term is incorrect and I imagine that Doc (correctly so) would ban someone herr if the "n" word was used. However calling someone who works in the fields growing the food that YOU eat a "redneck." Is fine.
He is a hit and run shit stirrer. This act of violence has nothing to do with guns and everything to do with mental illness. The nut could have dumped a 5 gallon jug of acetone and the liberals would call for the government to save them from acetone. Same foolish spiel.
You know what annoys me the most? It's the way the media pounces on an unfortunate situation like this and starts reporting false and totally unsupported snippets of so called information under the guise of breaking news.
"He killed his father in New Jersey before driving to Connecticut and killing his mother in front of her elementary class".
"Oh wait! He lives with his mother and she's not a teacher".
"He shot his mother at home before going to the school with his 2 semi-auto pistols and 2 revolvers".
"Shit!!! His father is STILL alive. He never was near New Jersey".
"He never had 2 revolvers. It was 2 semi-auto pistols and a semi-auto rifle".
"They weren't his firearms. He stole them from his dead mother". "She couldn't have been dead when he stole them. He used them to kill her. Ah, what does it matter?"
"OH! he left the semi-auto rifle in his car and only had 2 semi-auto pistols ... WITH HIGH CAPACITY CLIPS".
Why don't they get back to reporting the news and stop trying to make the news. Slow down and wait until all this hearsay they are broadcasting is actually confirmed. I forgot, if they do that they will be scooped by every one of the other hundred TV channels covering the story. It's better to be wrong a dozen times than to be the second channel reporting it. Hell, it's annoying.
Besides, who the hell interviews third graders about what they did, saw and heard and puts it on the air as news. And, what the hell were the parents doing allowing their third grader to be interviewed in the first place. !!!!!Rant off!!!!!
"He killed his father in New Jersey before driving to Connecticut and killing his mother in front of her elementary class".
"Oh wait! He lives with his mother and she's not a teacher".
"He shot his mother at home before going to the school with his 2 semi-auto pistols and 2 revolvers".
"Shit!!! His father is STILL alive. He never was near New Jersey".
"He never had 2 revolvers. It was 2 semi-auto pistols and a semi-auto rifle".
"They weren't his firearms. He stole them from his dead mother". "She couldn't have been dead when he stole them. He used them to kill her. Ah, what does it matter?"
"OH! he left the semi-auto rifle in his car and only had 2 semi-auto pistols ... WITH HIGH CAPACITY CLIPS".
Why don't they get back to reporting the news and stop trying to make the news. Slow down and wait until all this hearsay they are broadcasting is actually confirmed. I forgot, if they do that they will be scooped by every one of the other hundred TV channels covering the story. It's better to be wrong a dozen times than to be the second channel reporting it. Hell, it's annoying.
Besides, who the hell interviews third graders about what they did, saw and heard and puts it on the air as news. And, what the hell were the parents doing allowing their third grader to be interviewed in the first place. !!!!!Rant off!!!!!
Ayup!
mtmogs, you want "actual" gun control ... whatever the hell that means. After that is achieved I presume you will next
want "actual" knife control, as they're imposing in the UK, or perhaps "actual" knife, cleaver, & hammer control as they're
talking about in China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932011%29)
Perhaps we should also go for "sharp-pointy-stick" control; people have been killed by pencils after all (do a Google
search for examples). And as Waybomb noted, rocks have a long history of being used to murder folks; let's ban them
as well.
Better yet, let's do a simple test. I will provide a loaded handgun; we'll put it on a table surrounded by surveillance
gear and see how long it takes for that gun, untouched by a human, to kill someone. I'll make sure my kids and their
kids monitor this, as I suspect it will be a L-O-N-G time before anything happens.
want "actual" knife control, as they're imposing in the UK, or perhaps "actual" knife, cleaver, & hammer control as they're
talking about in China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932011%29)
Perhaps we should also go for "sharp-pointy-stick" control; people have been killed by pencils after all (do a Google
search for examples). And as Waybomb noted, rocks have a long history of being used to murder folks; let's ban them
as well.
Better yet, let's do a simple test. I will provide a loaded handgun; we'll put it on a table surrounded by surveillance
gear and see how long it takes for that gun, untouched by a human, to kill someone. I'll make sure my kids and their
kids monitor this, as I suspect it will be a L-O-N-G time before anything happens.
Bamby
New member
It may be difficult but give this some serious consideration....
Gun Control, People Control and Thought Control
The gun control debate, like all debates with the left, is reducible to the question of whether we are individuals who make our own decisions or a great squishy social mass that helplessly responds to stimuli. Do people kill with guns or does the availability of guns kill people? Do bad eating habits kill people or does the availability of junk food kill people?
To the left these are distinctions without a difference. If a thing is available then it is the cause of the problem. The individual cannot be held accountable for shooting someone if there are guns for sale. Individuals have no role to play because they are not moral actors, only members of a mob responding to stimuli.
That is how the left approached this election. Instead of appealing to individual interests, they went after identity groups. They targeted low information voters and used behavioral science to find ways to manipulate people. The right treated voters like human beings. The left treated them like lab monkeys. And the lab monkey approach is triumphantly toted by progressives as proof that the left is more intelligent than the right. And what better proof of intelligence can there be than treating half the country like buttons of unthinking responses that you can push to get them to do what you want?
Would you let a lab monkey own a gun? Hell no. Would you let it choose what to eat? Only as an experiment. Would you let it vote for laws in a referendum? Not unless it’s trained to push the right button. Would you let it drive a car? Nope. Maybe a bicycle. And if it has to travel a long way, you’ll encourage it to use mass transit. Does a monkey have freedom of speech? Only until it annoys you.
The clash that will define the future of America is this collision between the individual and the state, between disorganized freedom and organized compassion, between a self-directed experiment in self-government and an experiment conducted by trained experts on a lab monkey population. And the defining idea of this conflict is accountability.
To understand the left’s position on nearly any issue, imagine a 20th Century American and then take away accountability. Assume that the individual is helpless and stupid, has little to no control over his own behavior and is only responding to stimuli and functions in a purely reactive capacity. Then use that data to come up with a response to anything from kids getting fat to a football player shooting his wife to terrorists firing rockets at Israel. The only possible answer to reactive behavior is to find the thing being reacted to and condemn it.
The final failure of accountability for the left is a failure of moral organization, while for the right it is a failure of personal character. The right asks, “Why did you kill?” The left asks, “Who let him have a gun?”, “Who didn’t provide him with a job” and “Who neglected his self-esteem?”
If you eat too much, it’s because corporations make you eat. If you kill, it’s because corporations encourage you to buy guns. You are not an individual. You are a social problem.
The defining American code is freedom. The defining liberal code is compassion. Conservatives have attempted to counter that by defining freedom as compassionate, as George W. Bush did. Liberals counter by attempting to define compassion as liberating, the way that FDR did by classing freedoms with entitlements in his Four Freedoms.
On one side stands the individual with his rights and responsibilities. On the other side is the remorseless state machinery of supreme compassion. And there is no bridging this gap.
Liberal compassion is not the compassion of equals. It is a revolutionary pity that uses empathy as fuel for outrage. It is the sort of compassion practiced by people who like to be angry and who like to pretend that their anger makes them better people. It is the sort of compassion that eats like poison into the bones of a man or a society, even while swelling their egos with their own wonderfulness.
Compassion of this sort is outrage fuel. It is hatred toward people masquerading as love. And that hatred is a desire for power masquerading as outrage. Peel away the mask of compassion and all that is underneath is a terrible lust for power.
Freedom goes hand in hand with personal moral organization of the individual by the individual. Organized compassion, however, requires the moral organization of the society as a whole. A shooting is not a failure of the character of one man alone, or even his family and social circle; it is the total failure of our entire society and perhaps even the world, for not leveraging a sufficient level of moral organization that would have made such a crime impossible. No man is an island. Every man is a traffic jam.
Social accountability on this scale requires the nullification of the personhood and accountability of the individual, just as the moral organization that it mandates requires removing the freedom of choice of the individual, to assure a truly moral society. When compassion and morality are collective, then everyone and no one is moral and compassionate at the same time. And that is the society of the welfare state where compassion is administered by a salaried bureaucracy.
Choice is what makes us moral creatures and collective compassion leaves us less than human. The collective society of mass movements and mass decisions leaves us little better than lab monkeys trying to compose Shakespeare without understanding language, meaning or ideas, or anything more than the rote feel of our fingers hitting the keyboard.
This is the society that the left is creating; a place filled with as many social problems as there are people, where everyone is a lab monkey except the experts running the experiments, and where no one has any rights because freedom is the enemy of a system whose moral code derives from creating a perfect society by replacing the individual with the mass. It is a society where there is no accountability, only constant compulsion. It is a society where you are a social problem and there are highly paid experts working day and night to figure out how to solve you.
FrontPageMag
Gun control is about control not about guns.
These left wing morons that believe otherwise are deluding themselves and are nothing more than pawns to the UN, Soros, MoveON.org, Brady Group and other left wing progressive socialist enemies of our liberties that have an agenda much greater than your gun or mine.
Smarten up MTmogs if it is not too late for you already and get your head out these people's asses. However you will not read this as you have already driven on to your next drive by typing attack.
These left wing morons that believe otherwise are deluding themselves and are nothing more than pawns to the UN, Soros, MoveON.org, Brady Group and other left wing progressive socialist enemies of our liberties that have an agenda much greater than your gun or mine.
Smarten up MTmogs if it is not too late for you already and get your head out these people's asses. However you will not read this as you have already driven on to your next drive by typing attack.
