trac master

[akdan]

Here is a couple photos. I'am working on getting more. I still have to do a little work on it this summer. I am thinking about putting torsion axels to replace front wheel? I found out the hard way not to pack any thing on the front end. I would like to get an oil cooler, and rework the fan cooling system, and new heater boxes.
I have looked at some restoration pitcures, awsome jobs. But why all the work, there are better trac vehicles out there.

[Snowcat Operations]

Did I read that correct????? Better trac vehicles out there than a Trac Master? Nah I didnt read that right. Not much gets you in that psi range.

[Bulldog1401]

What is the PSI range of the snow trac and the trac master? My IMP is roughly 1 PSI.

[Melensdad]

What is the PSI range of the snow trac and the trac master? My IMP is roughly 1 PSI.
A loaded Snow Trac will have about 0.75 PSI while the Trac Masters/Snow Masters will have roughly 0.50 PSI.

[mtntopper]

A loaded Snow Trac will have about 0.75 PSI while the Trac Masters/Snow Masters will have roughly 0.50 PSI.

The real question/answer is how often will you actually need the 0.50 PSI on any snow cat? :snow2_smi: It is not very often for most snow cat users. My 1200 LMC is still about as good as it can get for all around ability, durability, dependability, and comfortable use. I have yet to see it fail to do what is asked and the heater works great.....:yum: Tie it rear bumper to rear bumper with my Tracmaster and I will guarantee it will come out on top and drag my Tracmaster along for the ride and never know it was there.:poke:

[Snowcat Operations]

an unloaded snow master is .42 psi.

http://www.safetyoneinc.com/specsheets/aktiv1.html

[Snowcat Operations]

There are a few occassions here that I have been able to go places a 1200 or the VMC would just sink. Other than that those other vehicles perform great. From the pictures at the snowcat shootout the Snow Masters would have cleaned house and never even known they were in a competion. In deep deep powder there so far isnt a better cat than a Track Master or Snow Master.

[Snowcat Operations]

The real question/answer is how often will you actually need the 0.50 PSI on any snow cat? :snow2_smi: It is not very often for most snow cat users. My 1200 LMC is still about as good as it can get for all around ability, durability, dependability, and comfortable use. I have yet to see it fail to do what is asked and the heater works great.....:yum: Tie it rear bumper to rear bumper with my Tracmaster and I will guarantee it will come out on top and drag my Tracmaster along for the ride and never know it was there.:poke:







I agree that those types of snow conditions are not an every day occurance and in fact typically only occurs in the the Champagne powder belt that hits Canada B.C., Washington, Oregon, part of California, Idaho, parts of Wyoming, Utah and Nevada. Pretty much the rest of the States while they get some real fluffy stuff dont as usaually as the above mentioned States. A perfect example would be Aulburn Ca the days before the Snowcat shootout began. Everything even the all mighty Camoplast was having a rough time of it and the Camoplast had 44" wide tracks on each side. I was talking to the guy driving one of the cats they brought and he said they left most of them on the trailers and stuck to the WIDER tracked ones they brought. Now I wasnt there but this is from a Camoplast employee. I also know the Tucker was having a hell of a time and this also came from one of the Tucker employees and from some members on this forum. Those were some serious snow conditions though. About as bad as they get! The Camoplast and Tuckers are great machines.

[mtntopper]

There are a few occassions here that I have been able to go places a 1200 or the VMC would just sink. Other than that those other vehicles perform great. From the pictures at the snowcat shootout the Snow Masters would have cleaned house and never evn known they were in a competion. In deep deep powder there so far isnt a better cat than a Track Master or Snow Master.

:nopics:

The new hydrostatic cats have a unique ability to maneuver where many older cats will not which includes less loss of traction when climbing/sidehilling in deep snow on very steep mountains/hills. At the Colorado shoot out which I attended, I doubt that my Tracmaster would of been able to maneuver into the tight areas and climb with the new microprocessor controlled Camoplast snow cats. Then again, my snow cats did not cost me 130K each. It is sometimes a relationship of expense to required performance and I have no need for the ultimate in performance by spending 130K to just be able to go to the top of the mountain where no one should probably be anyway. :eek: :my2cents: :myopinion:

[Snowcat Operations]

I have been into some very tight situations that I know a Camoplast could not have gone do to the depth of the snow. In fact a Snow Master doesnt loose power when makeing turns. BUT I must agree the Camoplats can turn so much better. In fact they can turn around in there own length. BUT with 44 inch wide tracks or 118" width they would not be able to go in the wooded areas around here. In this case my Snow Master had about 2" of clearance on each side. and the powder was armpit deep and was one hell of a grade. To confess I didnt know what the hell I was going to do if I stated to dig in while going up since I didnt think I could back up the entire distance without hitting a tree. Instead that cat pushed in about 2 feet and kept on climbing even with it completely loaded down with food boose and gear for 14 people plus 5 people and a dog! NOthing else would have made it up that trail that I know of that is only 8'6" wide and you could NOT get anything wider in there period. That is one of the situations I was talking about. A snow Master needs 8'6" turn turn around in unless you back up. The Camoplast has a Snow Master beat there. BUT as you said for $130,000 for a Camoplast plus then you need to buy a $10,000 to 13,000 dollar trailer plus you need the absolute minimum of a 1 ton dually truck to tow it. (Camoplast and Tuckers lightest snowcats with special light weight trailers come in at just under 10,000 lbs.) No I will stick with my 3,000 lbs Snow Master that is easy to tow and hardly noticable on the highway. My wife wont even hesitate to tow it in any waether condition as well. This makes long trips much more pleasent since we both can split the drive.

[Melensdad]

an unloaded snow master is .42 psi.

http://www.safetyoneinc.com/specsheets/aktiv1.html

Mike, you are technically correct about the PSI, but I think it is also fair to say that I'm also correct with the 0.75 PSI for the Snow Trac and the 0.50 PSI for the Trac/Snow Master as I listed those weights as LOADED weights. Loaded weights, if I understand the Snow Trac data correctly, would be the PSI imparted on the snow with a FULLY LOADED machine complete with people and cargo.


The real question/answer is how often will you actually need the 0.50 PSI on any snow cat?. . . Tie it rear bumper to rear bumper with my Tracmaster and I will guarantee it will come out on top and drag my Tracmaster along for the ride and never know it was there.:poke:
Bill no doubt the LMC 1200 will plummet through the snow and it will attempt to drag the Trac Master along for the ride. However, while your LMC sinks though the snow like a lead weight attached to a fishing line, it is also clear to me that the Trac Master will float on top of the snow like a cork bobber floats on the water, and depending on the length of the tow strap, the Trac Master may in fact prevent the LMC from sinking all the way to the core of the earth. :yum:

[Snowcat Operations]

LMAO!:yum:

Point one to B Skruka.










So far the first point in this competition has gone to BSkurka. The crowd is gathered to see what will come of this. Will MTNTOPPER fight back or will he go down with his sinking LMC 1200? :coolshade

[mbsieg]

. A perfect example would be Aulburn Ca the days before the Snowcat shootout began. Everything even the all mighty Camoplast was having a rough time of it and the Camoplast had 44" wide tracks on each side. I was talking to the guy driving one of the cats they brought and he said they left most of them on the trailers and stuck to the WIDER tracked ones they brought. Now I wasnt there but this is from a Camoplast employee. I also know the Tucker was having a hell of a time and this also came from one of the Tucker employees and from some members on this forum. Those were some serious snow conditions though. About as bad as they get! The Camoplast and Tuckers are great machines.

Hmmm.. This is where someone misled you..... ACTUALLY, the cat with the 35in(101in wide) wide tracks was the first unloaded and was prob used the most. As this cat came with its tracks already installed. It was used to offload and install the tracks on the other two Camoplast rigs. (Dragging around cats with one track off in 6-10ft of powder. sounds like it would take a pretty good cat to do this would it not?????) Needless to say i was very impressed in the ability of the Camoplasts They would climb hills the Tuckers used blades to climb. Now I got to spend time in the drivers seat of 3 rigs at the shootout (Tucker, 2 Camoplasts). The narrow Camo would go anywhere the wide track would.. The Tuckers used their blades alot. But also they are both very large to tow.. The Camo is a shorter, smaller, cat than the tucker but not by much...

Now, I have had the opportunity to ride in and drive quite a few cats and conversed with their owners operators on this subject of performance. They all have their good and bad points. One of the biggest points to make here is ANYTHING can and WILL get stuck in the hands of a inexperienced operator..

Now as far as PSI I am not a firm believer in the lower the psi is always the best. I own a cat that is 2,394lbs unloaded it is also .42psi as stated in the manual. Does this mean this is the best cat out their....NO.... Not by a long shot in my opinion HP, traction, maneuverability, ground clearance, and most of all driver experience, are all factors in the usability of a cat.

All in all I just wanted to state their is no ONE best snowcat they are designed to be used on varied terrain and various tasks. I like this forum and do not want it to turn into XYZ forum where one cat is the best and if you mention something else you get banned for it.....JMHO....Mike

[mbsieg]

you need to buy a $10,000 to 13,000 dollar trailer plus you need the absolute minimum of a 1 ton dually truck to tow it. (Camoplast and Tuckers lightest snowcats with special light weight trailers come in at just under 10,000 lbs.).

Or you could just buy a new Toyota 1/2 ton they claim to be able to haul 10,000 lbs!!!!!!!!!!!!!:yum: :pat: Even though you could never stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!:idea:

[Snowcat Operations]

LOL,
I am not saying Snow Masters are better and thats it. Just for my use a Camoplast or Tucker wont work at least from what I have seen. They are just way to big. Now I may be wrong. I will admit that they sure can turn better than my Snow Master. BUT for 130K I cant see where they are SO superior to my snow master except in turning around capability. Thats it. Great amchines no doubt and have there place for sure. Hell they are probably some of the best new cats you can buy so far.

[Snowcat Operations]

Its funny you compare the Tuckers to the Camoplast. The Tuckers have a 1.027 psi The Camoplast has .76 psi and they performed much better than the Tuckers. That is also the word I got. That is a direct relation to PSI and the vehicle capability wouldnt you say?

As I said many times before the Tuckers and Camoplast cats are great snowcats. Each has its best areas of operation and some are just ok at diffrent tasks. BUT they are great units none the less.

[mtntopper]

Bill no doubt the LMC 1200 will plummet through the snow and it will attempt to drag the Trac Master along for the ride. However, while your LMC sinks though the snow like a lead weight attached to a fishing line, it is also clear to me that the Trac Master will float on top of the snow like a cork bobber floats on the water, and depending on the length of the tow strap, the Trac Master may in fact prevent the LMC from sinking all the way to the core of the earth. :yum:

The real reason I must tow the Snotracs behind the LMC is so they can keep up with the Kristis that are leading the way for all to follow through the steep and deep. The Snotrac "anchors" keep the LMC from a total first place finish. :yum: Ok BigAl, this should earn me honorary senior executive exalted membership in the KKK and a few extra free beers at the meetings.:thumb:

[Snowcat Operations]

Ouch! Some people will do or say Anything for Alcohol!

[mtntopper]

I own a cat that is 2,394lbs unloaded it is also .42psi as stated in the manual.

"The little red thingy" 1985 Raidtrac 1800-30, second cousin to the enegizer bunny, it just keeps going and going and going.....:thumb:
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[mbsieg]

HEY, Thats me?????????????????????????

[Snowcat Operations]

You need light weight, Ground clearance, a smooth bottom, and the center of gravity as far forward as possible with lots of torque and power for an exceptional powder machine. Thats what all the Swiss tests have shown at least. That raidtrack looks pretty small. Whats the dimensions?

[mbsieg]

Here are the specs??? Mtntopper must like bunny's??????

[mtntopper]

NOthing else would have made it up that trail that I know of that is only 8'6" wide and you could NOT get anything wider in there period. That is one of the situations I was talking about.A snow Master needs 8'6" turn turn around in unless you back up.

It the machine is 8' 6" wide and you are saying you can turn it around in its width? This I want to see as the total length of the machine on the best turning of machines dictates the turn around and not the width of the snow cat. :pat:

[mbsieg]

You need light weight, Ground clearance, a smooth bottom, and the center of gravity as far forward as possible with lots of torque and power for an exceptional powder machine. Thats what all the Swiss tests have shown at least. That raidtrack looks pretty small. Whats the dimensions?
MMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmm!!!!! Swiss Miss I love those little Debbie bars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:moon:

[mak2]

You need light weight, Ground clearance, a smooth bottom, and the center of gravity as far forward as possible

Is it just me or does that sound like describing a good woman?

[mbsieg]

YEP!!!! :yum: :yum: :thumb: :respect: :idea:

[Snowcat Operations]

Sorry. You make an 8' 6" circle or radius.