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BigAl

02-19-2007, 11:01 PM

HEY All , I just recieved this from Mrs.Seely of Saftey One , after sending her a copy of Vance's early post on snow conditions at Yuba Gap . Can anyone make a suggestion . They need help !!!! Here's her email and our past correspondence to each other .
Allen

Hello!!! What perfect timing on this email coming over to me. We are aware of the lack of snow fall as well and really bummed about it. I am in the process of calling ski resorts, the Forest Service, etc and I have only received voice mail after voice mail. I did speak to a gentleman at Alpine Meadow and he recommended Blackwood Canyon. The phone # for the USFS is disconnected so I have left messages for a few other locations (USDFS and off-highway motor vehicle recreation division).

Do you happen to have any suggestions or recommendations on locations? We are still pushing to keep the event on the 28th, however we know we will have to move the location.

I so appreciate all of your contact and updates with me, it has been most helpful. I look forward to hearing back from you.

Sherri Seely
Safety One, Inc.
(303) 734-0772

From: Allen Hutson
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 10:25 AM
To: Sherri Seely
Subject: Re: Snowcat Shootout Reminder for California Feb. 28, 2007

Dear Mrs. Seely

Just a update from this end on the snow conditions at Yuba Gap . One of our Members just went there yesterday and this is what he found .

Below is his email post :

Re: Snowcat shoot-out

Hi,

Sheesh!! I'm tired and sore today after a 2fer snowmobile trip in the Sierra. Went out for a typical day trip and did about 50-60 miles in the mountains - there was still lots of untracked snow from last weeks 3-4 foot dump. Yippee. Then on way home we decided we wanted more and picked up some sandwiches and coctail fixins and decided to go to Soda Springs for a picnic and night ride. Plenty of snow in Soda Springs, too and had a great time. After tearing up the meadows and visiting a couple neighbors cabins I was finally ready to head down to Yuba Gap to check out conditions - It was now 11pm!!!

Sorry for the long story but I had to share - Now... the snow at Yuba Gap does not exist... http://www.forumsforums.com/3_9/cid:image001.gif@01C7541E.FBD3C3E0

There are only a few patches here and there.
Pic 1: Road in
Pic 2: Gate CLOSED on road to campground. The campground is still a ways down the road so it is not accessible. The small patch of snow is about the biggest one in the area.
Pic 3: This is the sign at the SnoPark near the TT/Snowflower area. What you can't see in the pic is the dark banner along the sign is actually a "SnoPark CLOSED" banner.

Sorry for the dark pix but you get the picture. We would need at least 4-6 feet of snow at that elevation to make the even possible. We have storms coming in Wed or so but it does not look good IMHO.

Hmm, a bit long-winded this am...

Vance

02-19-2007, 11:35 PM

Thanks Al,

I'll ask a couple folks for suggestion and forward on. I have never been to Blackwood Canyon but I'll ask the snowmobile crowd about it. I'm thinking that Iron Mtn SnoPark would be perfect. Problem is that it is over on 88. Many of the snoparks don't have hill nearby - but IM is right next to an old (closed) ski resort.

Castle Peak might work, too.

Vance

Snowcat Operations

02-19-2007, 11:53 PM

Maybe Ely. I will check the weather report but for now we have a small amount of snow 12" at 7,000 feet and more up higher. I will call around to get snow pack report from some Ranger friends.

Vance

02-20-2007, 12:04 AM

Well,

The wx is getting better!!!

:snow2_smi: :letitsnow: :snow2_smi:

found this:

Statement as of 3:00 PM PST on February 19, 2007

... Snow to return to the Sierra and western Nevada by midweek
with strong winds also possible...

A cold low pressure system is expected to move through the Sierra
and western Nevada Wednesday and Thursday. Winds will increase ahead
of this storm with strong gusts possible in the lower elevations of
western Nevada Wednesday night and Thursday.

While snow levels will start around 5500 feet Wednesday... these
levels are expected to drop to all valley floors in time for the
most pronounced period of precipitation Wednesday night into
Thursday. Snow accumulations up to 2 feet are possible in the higher
elevations of the Sierra by Thursday night with some accumulating
snowfall possible in western Nevada valleys.

Strong winds will combine with the heavy snow to create white out
conditions with considerable blowing and drifting of snow across
the Sierra passes and other exposed high elevation areas.
Motorists should expect difficult winter driving conditions in the
Sierra until the winter storm moves out of the region on Friday.

:letitsnow:

Vance

Snowcat Operations

02-20-2007, 12:12 AM

YES!

BigAl

02-20-2007, 12:17 AM

Mike , I think Safety One wanted to keep it closer to the west coast to draw the ski resort groups from Oregon and southern Cal . I'm not sure if Ely is too far east ???? What about Donner Ski Ranch that backs up to Boreal Ridge on Old Highway 40 . Norm Sailor owns it and it does have a hotel and restaurant on site . He is a really nice guy . Maybe I could call him ?????? It is right on the top of Donner summit so they get the most snow in the whole area . I do not know if they have a big enough area though for the snowcats ,along with their regular Ski crowd ?????

Boreal Ridge is also a good location with more room .

Vance

02-20-2007, 12:31 AM

BigAl

02-20-2007, 12:59 AM

I'm not sure if the ski areas will want them mixing in... I will call a buddy of mine that is a groomer at Boreal (also coming to the shootout) and see what he thinks.

Royal Gorge is the largest xc ski area in the US and is right there, too. There is plent of room but not sure if the cats would be welcome over there...

I put out a call to my snowmobile buddies, they will prolly have more suggestions to pass on.

V

Thanks Vance ,
I sent her back and email and told her the FF Snow Cat crew was on the job and looking hard !!!!

Royal Gorge or the Serene Lakes area might be the perfect spot !!!!! Whatta you think ??? Its been years since I was up to Serene lakes and I can't remember if they have anything usable up there or not for a shootout location .

What's the name of that little ski resort right pass the train tracks as you head toward Serene Lakes going out of Soda Springs ???? Is that Royal Gorge ?? It has a pretty steep hill if I remember correctly .......

California

02-20-2007, 05:16 AM

What's the name of that little ski resort right pass the train tracks as you head toward Serene Lakes going out of Soda Springs ????I think that one is Soda Springs Winter Resort. Brochure. (looking South; scroll down) (http://www.tahoevacationguide.com/Activities/sodasprings.html) and Mapquest (looking North. Zoom way in, click on Aerial Image, scroll down). (http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&addtohistory=&address=&city=Soda%20Springs&state=CA&zipcode=&country=US&location=ec%2f2gTkTtM7e9rSXtbvcYN2TbsuU1g7ryN89yN4 wHYPWjFLfpbg81IHx0%2bcBvRm%2bhKPq40Z82SeAIsg3RnTTF ZRV36dR9UT1qiPIzJU3fAIVAjFOW78g5Ojagkbkwe4a&ambiguity=1)

A fun place, great for a family of novice skiiers.

Vance

02-20-2007, 11:37 AM

Thanks Vance ,

What's the name of that little ski resort right pass the train tracks as you head toward Serene Lakes going out of Soda Springs ???? Is that Royal Gorge ?? It has a pretty steep hill if I remember correctly .......

That is Soda Springs - the first resort on the right.

The other option is Donner Ski Ranch.

Royal Gorge is the xc area that is next to Serene Lakes.

Al, I need some more info from Safety One about the event. The peeps that I'm asking for locations are asking:

- how many cats?
- how many people?
- any other detail or requirements for a location?

I'll let you forward the message to them so we keep one voice. If you want me to contact them just let me know.

Vance

BigAl

02-20-2007, 12:09 PM

Vance ,
I am going to let you talk directly with them . It will cut down on time and you seem to know who has what to offer .I would probably mess it up being a middle man !

Here is her email address :

Sherri Seely
sherri@safetyoneinc.com

I need to get that other track on before it starts raining tomorrow . Besides ,you know the Soda Springs area much better than me . Holler when and where you want me to help on this .

Here is their email I recieved this morning .
Al

Allen,

Thank you ever so much for all of the information and for your help!! I will be out of the office for a few hours today, but I forwarded your email to Linda and Alex here in our office. You are welcome to speak with either Linda or Alex and I will be back in the office around 2:00 MST today.

Thanks again!! J
Sherri

Eric L

02-20-2007, 07:33 PM

Maybe good news ...

weather.com says wet weather coming.. shows snow at lower elev. through next wed.. 2-28

http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/USCA0888?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared

:letitsnow: :snow2_smi: :thumb:

BigAl

02-21-2007, 11:32 AM

Any updates Vance ?????

Vance

02-21-2007, 01:39 PM

I sent a message to Sherri yesterday with some questions, snopark info, and a suggestion to consider Cisco Grove Campground/snowplay/snowmobile area. With the incoming snow they should have good conditions and excellent access.

I have not heard back but I'm going to ping Sherri again, now.

Vance

Vance

02-21-2007, 04:06 PM

This just in!!!

Dear Shoot-Out Registrant!

(From Alex Marcoux-Safety One)

In case you were wondering, the California Shoot-Out is still a go! While snow conditions may not seem optimum for snowcat demonstrations, we still have an exciting day planned. Yes, you’re still going to be able to test drive the newest vehicles and see them in action. This fun day will also include door prizes and lunch! We’re even encouraged that NOAA has forecasted incoming snow. But whether there’s additional snow or not, the vendors will still be there with their finest vehicles to demo!

Although we have you pre-registered, please plan on completing the registration between 8:30-9:00 next Wednesday February 28, at Snow Flower Resort, Yuba Gap, CA.

If for any reason, you’re unable to make this event, please let us know ASAP! You can reply back to this email or call us at 1-800-485-7669.

Travel Safe!

Alex Marcoux

Director of Marketing & Sales

Safety One Inc.

7144 Reynolds Dr.

Sedalia, CO80135

303.734.0772

www.SafetyOneInc.com

Snowcat Operations

02-22-2007, 11:05 AM

www.weather.com/weather/tenday/89319?from=36hr_topnav_undeclared
Here is the weather forcast for Ely NV.

Jen's Jeep

02-22-2007, 11:06 AM

I think we'll be OK:thumb:

Here is our house 45 mins after it started snowing:letitsnow: :letitsnow: :letitsnow: :letitsnow: :letitsnow: :letitsnow: :letitsnow: :letitsnow:

Its coming down heavy with lots of big flakes!!

EDIT: We have close to 2 inches already:snow2_smi:

Eric L

02-22-2007, 11:35 AM

Thats not our house...:oops:

thats the neighbors house.. make sure ya cover the firewood

Jen's Jeep

02-22-2007, 11:38 AM

Thats not our house...:oops:

thats the neighbors house.. make sure ya cover the firewood

Im not going out there...the last thing I need to fall:cry:

Vance

02-22-2007, 12:12 PM

Jen,

Quick.... take the cat for a spin before Eric gets home....

:17875:
Vance

:letitsnow:

BigAl

02-22-2007, 12:24 PM

Its starting to snow here in Grass Valley . Maybe I can test run Yetti right here without needing to trailer it anywhere !!!!:thumb:

Jen's Jeep

02-22-2007, 07:05 PM

As of noon...we had 12". It has snowed on and off, but nothing like earlier. Winter storm warning in effect until midnight:snow2_smi:

So Eric...you are not gunna tell ours friends here what I did today:thumb: ??

mtntopper

02-22-2007, 07:16 PM

Jen,

Quick.... take the cat for a spin before Eric gets home....:17875:
Vance:letitsnow:
Drive it like you stole it:D

:yum: :yum: :yum:

Vance

02-22-2007, 07:18 PM

So Eric...you are not gunna tell ours friends here what I did today:thumb: ??

Aw c'mon... share with us !!!!

Was it this.....:drive2:

l8r,

Vance

:drama:

Snowcat Operations

02-22-2007, 07:24 PM

Tease!

Jen's Jeep

02-22-2007, 11:43 PM

Snowcat Operations

02-22-2007, 11:55 PM

Sounds like you were driving it like you stole it! Hope everything and everyone is ok.

Snowcat Operations

02-23-2007, 12:50 AM

Strating to snow here as well (Ely Nevada) Post to get 5 inches tonight and another 2" sometime in the morning. Plus a few feet by the 28th. So Winter has FINALLY arrived and me without my snowcat!

Vance

02-23-2007, 01:02 AM

No...I didnt take the cat out:smileywac my back is pretty messed up so I have no business heading down our driveway in snow/ice.

Instead I promptly stuck my Jeep in a ditch...the got stuck at our son's daycare, trying to avoid taking out her fence:cry: I couldnt stop the Jeeep from sliding down hill:cry:

Seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee... you should'a taken your son to daycare in the Tucker!!! Then - no Jeep in the ditch and your son would have been the envy of all the other kids at the daycare!!! You'd of been hero for the day:thumb:

Ah well.... maybe next time.

V

Jen's Jeep

02-23-2007, 12:36 PM

Are Sno cat's street legal:smileywac ???

Melensdad

02-23-2007, 02:51 PM

Are Sno cat's street legal:smileywac ???
That seems to depend on the type of snowcat and the state you live in. For example, the Snow Tracs came from the factory with turn signals, a horn, running lights, headlamps and a license plate light. I drive mine on the street frequently and treat it as a farm tractor with a SMV sign on the rear, never had any problems or gotten any grief, but I do get funny looks :StickOutT

Some states specifically forbid the use of steel tracked vehicls on their roadways.

Vance

02-23-2007, 03:34 PM

Jen,

No, they are not street legal here in CA. But if all the roads are covered in snow then I doubt that LE would give you any grief. If it's that bad then they won't be out looking for infractions...

BTW, Here in Auburn, CA I couldn't even Green Sticker (OHV) my snocat. I TRIED to pay fees at DMV and they fought me and told me this was not a snowmobile or ATV or auto and I would probably get a citation for having a green sticker on there. I'm not sure if they were right or not but I gave up, got a refund for my fees and left.

I still need to contact the Forest Service to get their intrepretation. My only concern is on shared use trails in snowmobile areas.

Vance

Eric L

02-23-2007, 04:43 PM

Odd.. mine has a green sticker... ya just gotta find the right person, or at least not the wrong one.

Eric

California

02-23-2007, 04:58 PM

told me this was not a snowmobile or ATV or auto and I would probably get a citation for having a green sticker on there.Looks just like a four-track snowmobile to me. You might try that.

If you haven't encountered her before - the head DMV office (now at Outer Broadway, Sacramento) always has a little old lady back behind the clerks who has authority to do magic *if* you approach her correctly. Maybe take her a photo on your first visit. She's heard it all - you just need to describe your rig as the same as another green-tag Tucker and she'll probably remember she approved that one 20 years ago when she sat in the same seat as today. There's always a way if you can find a precedent.

Another approach I haven't tried is to enlist the help of your state Senator or Assemblyman, if you have facts to support your case.

mlang2005

02-24-2007, 01:37 PM

All my snow cats have had green stickers, I would start over at another dmv or at least a different person at that office. I have been checked many times while operating in the park and forrest service lands. call it an off highway vehicle, or snowmobile dont mention snowcat as that may prompt questions. I have found out at the CA DMV the less info you volenteer the easier it is stick with stuff they know. my thiokol reg says MAKE:thiok BODY TYPE: sm TYPE VEHICLE USE :off highway good luck

Vance

02-25-2007, 11:38 AM

Thanks for the suggestions, all. It really is odd that I'm wanting to pay DMV fees.. (the sales tax is what gets me). I feel that the green sticker IS appropriate for these vehicles and would think USFS would go that way, too. I'm going to get a ruling from USFS and DMV told me they were EXEMPT (I don't necessarily believe them). I just want to find the clause so I can defend myself against the FS who is likely the only person who would confront me here in CA. I'm willing to pay the 125 bucks or so and 20-30 every other year to keep on the up and up. We want to keep a good image for our "sport".

I'll update as I get more info.

Vance

mtntopper

02-25-2007, 12:38 PM

Check out the prior thread on license requirements:
http://www.forumsforums.com/3_9/showthread.php?t=6320&highlight=snow+forest+service+rules

Info that I found researching the Federal Register:

Additonal info for the legal use of over the snow vehicles from the federal register of November 9th 2005.

Copied from the federal register for National Forest Service rules: http://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/programs/ohv/final.pdf (http://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/programs/ohv/final.pdf)

Definition for ‘‘snowmobile.’’
Comment.
Some respondents suggested that the definition for snowmobile in the proposed rule be broadened to include other over-snow vehicles, such as tracked ATVs and grooming machines.

Response.
The proposed rule defined snowmobile as ‘‘A motor vehicle that is designed exclusively for use over snow and that runs on a track or track and/or a ski or skis. ’’ This definition encompassed large vehicles, such as snow cats, not commonly referred to as snowmobiles. However, the proposed definition excluded vehicles capable of conversion to over-snow use, such as ATVs with tracks. Since the proposed definition refers only to the vehicle itself, and not to its use, the proposed rule could be read to allow use of snowmobiles in the absence of snow off routes and outside areas designated for motor vehicle use. The Department believes that over-snow use by tracked vehicles has similar environmental effects, regardless of whether the vehicle is designed exclusively for use over snow.
Consequently, the final rule replaces the exemption and definition for
snowmobiles with an exemption and definition for over-snow vehicles
(which would include snowmobiles).

The final rule also removes the word ‘‘exclusively’’ from the definition, while adding ‘‘while in use over snow,’’ so that the final definition for over-snow vehicle includes motor vehicles that are designed for use over snow and that run on a track or track and/or a ski or skis, while in use over snow. Use by oversnow vehicles may be allowed, restricted, or prohibited under part 212, subpart C.

Eric L

02-26-2007, 10:10 AM

mbsieg

02-26-2007, 10:12 AM

Keep me informed..... Could I catch a ride???? My rental contract says NO CHAINS where is the fun in that????

Vance

02-26-2007, 12:29 PM

I checked on Eidelweis and they don't open 'til 7am - Darn. If we are going to be up to Yuba Gap by 830 then we need to leave around 7am from Auburn as there will likely be chain controls to get through.

I'm not much of a big breakfast person but if you want sit down then Bakers Square at Foresthill exit opens at 6am. There is also Flour Garden Bakery for simpler fare (bagels, pastry, maybe quiche?) that opens early and is easy to get to off Elm. I'd vote for Flour garden but I'm open.

Mike, I can give you a ride. Can we meet at the restaurant? I'll PM you my number and you can call me.

BTW, I was up at Yuba Gap and Emmigrant Gap yesterday for a Bday party/sledding/bbq with freinds. There is LOTS of snow up there. Snowmobiles were getting stuck, trucks stuck. I took a little snowshoe jaunt and sunk everywhere up to my knees and some places to my waist!!

I tried to check out the snowflower area and campground road again but this A** that worked for snowflower decided he would close down the entire offramp at Yuba Gap. Long and unpleasant story but I won't get into that. End of the story is I didn't get any pictures (or arrested).

Vance

California

02-26-2007, 03:45 PM

Here's a link to current weather at Blue Canyon and the forecast for I-80 at Yuba Gap: NWS 30 miles east of Grass Valley (http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/total_forecast/index.php?wfo=sto&zone=caz069&fire=caz269&county=cac061&dgtl=1&lat=39.294583333333&lon=-120.50125)

Link to Caltrans road/chain conditions: CT District 3 WinterOps (http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist3/departments/mtce/controlmp.htm). (go down to Check Current Road Conditions, enter 'I80'.)
They indicate a webcam at Kingvale, if you can see a .asx file - I'm trying to figure that one out.
At noon Monday its R2. 4x4 w real snow tires, not M&S, - or else chains.

There's a slight chance I might show up to watch the festivities, if it eases up enough to get my little Subaru in there. Given this forecast, it looks more likely that the offramp will remain closed!

Vance

02-26-2007, 05:07 PM

They indicate a webcam at Kingvale, if you can see a .asx file - I'm trying to figure that one out.
At noon Monday its R2. 4x4 w real snow tires, not M&S, - or else chains.[SIZE=-1]

FYI, If you have 4x4 with M+S you are okay under R2. To Caltrans the M+S is a snow tire.

The Kingvale camera is fickle. I think it gets overloaded and sometime wont play. Just keep trying.

You can also get a still of Kingvale (and video)here:
http://www.magnifeye.com/
NOTE: not working at this moment...

Lots of cameras here:
http://www.sierravisionsstock.com/cams.html

I do expect chain controls - maybe even very low. Controls were at Gold Run yesterday.

Vance

California

02-26-2007, 05:39 PM

FYI, If you have 4x4 with M+S you are okay under R2. To Caltrans the M+S is a snow tire.Sometimes.

I've been forced to go back and chain up when I had near-new M&S on a Wagoneer, and then another time with an old flat-side Trooper. The second time, the guy in the yellow raincoat said 'I don't care what you read somewhere - if I can't get a knuckle down between the cleats then you aren't going through.' Maybe they should call that a Hard R-2. I chained up.

He was probably right. We had to dodge a couple of spinouts parked backward in the fast lane, and there were skiers' rigs stuffed in the bushes all the way down the hill.

Here's CT's formal standard. Apparently the on-site guy can interpret it any way he wants.

R-1:
Chains or snow tread tires required. Snow tires must have a tread depth of 6/32" with a "M & S" imprint on the tire's sidewall.
R-2:
Chains required on all vehicles except four-wheel drives or all-wheel drives with snow tread tires on all four wheels.
R-3:
Chains required - ALL VEHICLES- no exceptions

Snowcat Operations

02-26-2007, 06:15 PM

Vance,
Thanks for the web cams! I can see you guys are getting hammered pretty damn good! Now we only need to puts BigAls KT7 in front of one of those web cams so eveyone on forumsforums can see the maiden voyage! Pretty cool idea.

Vance

02-26-2007, 06:31 PM

Yep, California is getting pounded with snow now. Here is a report from Kingvale - just up the road:

20" since last night. Tried to ride to the top of the ridge this morning. SUPER DEEP. got stuck a couple times and came home. Insane 8' drifts swallow you Whole.

Sierra Snow machine is on and not stopping
storm total 56", week 84"
DSK

Here is a pic from some guys at Cisco Grove (same area). I haven't made it up to get stuck (I mean ride) as I've been working on my cat and working...

Vance

Snowcat Operations

02-26-2007, 06:35 PM

That is some beautiful DEEP SNOW! Well BigAl wanted to test his KT7. BUT with a .40 PSI it will do pretty damn good. OK who has a camera to video tape BigAls Big Adventure?

California

02-26-2007, 06:41 PM

Lots of cameras here:
http://www.sierravisionsstock.com/cams.htmlVance that's a great list!

Boreal's camera is frozen over and Alpine Meadows is closed for the day due to conditions. 89 at 80 in Truckee doesn't show many cars moving.

There should be enough snow by Wednesday.

BigAl

02-26-2007, 09:10 PM

Back on topic...

we've gotten a good amount of snow now and more falling as I write this...

How about meeting up somewhere for coffee and food? I'm not terribly familiar with the area, but I do know one little restaurant in Auburn.. Edelwiess.. its downtown, good breakfast. Parking may be a bitch tho with trailers...I think we are not bringing our personal cats, right?

any other suggestions? or ideas?

Eric

Isn't this amazing ! Last week we were running around trying to find another location to hold this . Now we may be lucky if we can even get there . One thing for sure , The snow should be incredible and DEEP!!!

I'm up for having Breakfast in Auburn . Then we can caravan up to Yuba Gap from there . I also think we should forget the idea of trailering up the snow cats . I will need snow chains for the trailer ,if I pull Yetti up and I have not even tested her yet .

The one thing that may keep me from going is my favorite Uncle is in Critical Care and not expected to make it .They are taking him off life support tomorrow . We are now on watch 24/7 at the hospital .If someone wants to take my wife's and my reservation ,thats ok .I should know more by this time tomorrow .

What time do you think we should meet for Breskfast ???

PS : As of right now Caltans is holding all traffic at Stateline and at Alta on Interstate 80 . Yuba Gap is between these two points .

mbsieg

02-26-2007, 09:30 PM

The TV said the I-80 is closed at applegate now Avalanches and 40-50in of snow?????? I bet you guys will pay me to come to Cal more often......

mbsieg

02-26-2007, 09:34 PM

Big Al I know that Kristi will float that may be the only way we can get to the shootout!!!!!

Vance

02-26-2007, 09:46 PM

Aw c'mon guys... I have faith in the Caltrans crew. I-80 is closed right now due to whiteout conditions. Low snow tonight below 2000 ft means my kids will likely have a snow day and I80 will have intermittent closures through the am.

The forecast looks good for us for Wed. Only light snow and clearing conditions. Don't worry but expect chain control to get to Yuba Gap. Just my opinion...

I'll make the suggestion that we meet at Flour Garden Bakery at 6:30 and depart by 7:00. It's basically a coffee/bagel place as I figure we'll have snacks again with Safety One. I'll assume that everyone is gassed up and ready to go at that time. If you have FRS radios or CB, bring them. I'll have both.

Flour Garden Bakery is just south of I-80 at Elm Ave exit. It is in the Albertsons/Longs/Starbucks/Gottchalks parking lot. For Al - it is between 49 and 80 on Elm - can't miss it.

I'll try to get there earlier than 630 but that is not likely as I have to get kids off to school.

Does this work for everyone?

This is going to be a great event. With all the deep powder - we just have to worry that the vendors were able to get the cats to the site. My buddy/neighbor that operates a groomer at Boreal probably won't make it because we have soooooo much snow they will cancel his 'vacation'. I was looking forward to his input.

:letitsnow:

Vance

Snowcat Operations

02-26-2007, 11:34 PM

Crap! All that snow and me with no damn running snowcat! What a beautiful storm. Its just dumping gobs amount of powder. I hope All goes well for you Allen. You guys have fun and stay kinda warm up there.

Eric L

02-27-2007, 03:28 PM

I'm seriously beginning to wonder about road conditions tomorrow AM. weather man says its gonna stay ugly :snow2_smi:

mbsieg

02-27-2007, 03:37 PM

I'm seriously beginning to wonder about road conditions tomorrow AM. weather man says its gonna stay ugly :snow2_smi:
Well, I guess you will Have to drive the snowcat??? Can I catch a ride in the cat ??????:wave:

Eric L

02-27-2007, 03:43 PM

Seriously, Caltrans has a habit of closing roads if it looks just a little sketchy. I'm wondering if Safety One has the equip on site yet. if not, they may have trouble too.

Vance

02-27-2007, 04:54 PM

Hmm, you're right. It's showing ugly again - Wooo Hooo time for an adventure...

My Mom said it was snowing in Grass Valley at 2400ft.

Here is the latest warning:
A WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 1 PM PST WEDNESDAY.

ADDITIONAL SNOWFALL ACCUMULATIONS OF 6 TO 10 INCHES ARE POSSIBLE TODAY ABOVE 4000 FEET...WITH 2 TO 6 INCHES POSSIBLE ABOVE 2000 FEET. IN THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS...SNOWFALL ACCUMULATIONS WILL RANGE BETWEEN 10 TO 18 INCHES.

PERIODS OF SNOW WILL CONTINUE TO FALL DURING THE NEXT 24 TO 30 HOURS ACROSS NORTHERN CALIFORNIA...WITH SIGNIFICANT SNOWFALL TOTALS POSSIBLE ABOVE 1500 FEET. AT THIS TIME...ANOTHER 24 TO 30 INCHES OF SNOW WILL BE POSSIBLE OVER THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS BY WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON...WITH NEARLY A FOOT OF SNOW POSSIBLE BELOW 4000 FEET
ADDITIONALLY...STRONG WINDS WILL CONTINUE TO BE POSSIBLE...WITH LOCAL GUSTS UP TO 45 MPH. WHITE CONDITIONS MAY BE POSSIBLE AT TIMES...ESPECIALLY OVER THE HIGH MOUNTAIN PASSES OF THE NORTHERN SIERRA NEVADA.

A WINTER STORM WARNING MEANS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF SNOW... SLEET... AND ICE ARE EXPECTED OR WILL OCCUR. STRONG WINDS ARE ALSO POSSIBLE. THIS WILL MAKE TRAVEL VERY HAZARDOUS OR IMPOSSIBLE.
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A few mins ago it was sunny and dry roads at Kingvale. now its snowing again. Hopefully the equipment made it there today.

Should be fun,

Vance

Snowcat Operations

02-27-2007, 04:55 PM

Starting to really pile up here as well. The mountains are getting some serious fun stuff.

BigAl

02-27-2007, 07:16 PM

Ok!!! This is getting serious . I tried calling Safety One to find out if the shootout is still a go . No Answer !!! I left a message and asked for a call back .
I guess at this point we just listen the the road reports in the morning . If 80 is closed I think it will be a bust for going anywhere. Yuba Gap is at 5000 feet . Grass Valley is at 2200 feet . I am at 2000 feet and it is snowing to beat the band here . They are expecting as much as a foot here at my place . This will shut down I-80 for sure . Snow level is suppose to drop to 1000 feet tonight .
Thoughts or comments ???:snow2_smi: :snow2_smi:

mbsieg

02-27-2007, 07:17 PM

Lets have the shootout at your place Big Al!!!!!

BigAl

02-27-2007, 07:24 PM

Lets have the shootout at your place Big Al!!!!!

Not enough snow yet ! It is just now starting to stick !!! 10 miles up the road they have 3 feet !!

Mike ,I bet you the "back way" we came back from Vances is completely covered now . They are a little higher in elevation "

mbsieg

02-27-2007, 07:27 PM

I say we all try to get together for a ride somewhere if they do not have the shootout.....

mbsieg

02-27-2007, 07:33 PM

Conditions on I-80 at 4:30
I 80
[SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA]
A HIGH WIND ADVISORY IS IN EFFECT AT THE SAN FRANCISCO-OAKLAND BAY BRIDGE
/IN SAN FRANCISCO/ (SAN FRANCISCO,ALAMEDA CO's) - TRAVEL IS NOT RECOMMENDED
FOR CAMPERS, TRAILERS OR PERMIT LOADS

[IN THE SACRAMENTO VALLEY & SIERRA NEVADA]
**FOR EASTBOUND TRAFFIC:
IS CLOSED TO ALL EASTBOUND TRUCKS AT APPLEGATE (PLACER CO) - DUE TO
SPINOUTS - MOTORISTS ARE ADVISED TO USE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE

CHAINS ARE REQUIRED ON ALL VEHICLES EXCEPT 4-WHEEL-DRIVE VEHICLES WITH
SNOW TIRES ON ALL 4 WHEELS FROM NYACK (PLACER CO) TO THE NEVADA STATE LINE

**FOR WESTBOUND TRAFFIC:
WESTBOUND TRAFFIC IS BEING HELD FROM AT THE NEVADA STATE LINE - DUE TO
SNOW & ACCIDENTS - MOTORISTS ARE ADVISED TO USE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE

WESTBOUND TRAFFIC IS BEING HELD AT TRUCKEE (NEVADA CO) - DUE TO SNOW &
ACCIDENTS - MOTORISTS ARE ADVISED TO USE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE

SEMIS OVER 65 FEET OR WITH A KINGPIN TO REAR AXLE DISTANCE GREATER THAN
40 FEET ARE PROHIBITED FROM THROUGH TRAVEL ON US 50 & SR 70

EASTBOUND TRUCKS ARE BEING SCREENED AT APPLEGATE (PLACER CO) - DRIVERS MUST
HAVE MAXIMUM CHAINS IN THEIR POSSESSION IN ORDER TO PROCEED - PERMIT LOADS ARE
PROHIBITED

WESTBOUND TRUCKS ARE BEING SCREENED 5 MI WEST OF RENO (WASHOE CO) - DRIVERS
MUST HAVE MAXIMUM CHAINS IN THEIR POSSESSION IN ORDER TO PROCEED - PERMIT LOADS
ARE PROHIBITED

A HIGH WIND ADVISORY IS IN EFFECT OVER THE YOLO CAUSEWAY & OVER THE BRYTE
BEND BRIDGE /WEST OF SACRAMENTO/ (YOLO CO)

Jen's Jeep

02-27-2007, 07:40 PM

I wish I was going:cry:

mbsieg

02-27-2007, 07:42 PM

I think we all wish we were going.....

BigAl

02-27-2007, 07:51 PM

I wish I was going:cry:

If you want to go , its fine with me :snow2_smi:

"If" we go, the wife and I have extra room in our car .":17875: . Thats a big IF, right now though .

bczoom

02-27-2007, 07:54 PM

BigAl

02-27-2007, 08:02 PM

I've only been skimming this thread.

Do I have this right?
You're going to a place to play with snowcats.
Snow has arrived.
Snow is in your way to get there.

Why don't you just get in your snowcats and drive there. Heck, you can help stranded motorists on your way (in trade for their gas to get you further down the road).

:yum: :yum: :yum: Good One Boomer ,but its coming down pretty hard here . Close to "white out conditions" at the house now . In about 2 more hours of this and I am jumping in my Yetti and making a gun run up and around the nieghborhood . They got to catch me to stop me and all they got is a couple wimpy Snot Tracs's with peddles !!!:yum:

mbsieg

02-27-2007, 08:14 PM

Hey BigAl you want a passenger I can make it up in a flash......

California

02-27-2007, 08:23 PM

Why don't you just get in your snowcats and drive there.See the pic in post #45.

BigAl

02-27-2007, 08:31 PM

Mike ,
If we end up going you are more than welcome to ride with us . We will come to Auburn ,so there would be no need to drive all the way to Grass Valley . You could leave your rental car at the Flour Garden bakery in Auburn where we are to meet and hitch a ride . That is "IF" we go

there is now an inch of snow on the ground here

bczoom

02-27-2007, 08:37 PM

See the pic in post #45.
Done. OK, save his ass too on your way (but check to see if it's a 2-cycle before you take his gas).

mbsieg

02-27-2007, 08:38 PM

Snowcat Operations

02-27-2007, 08:52 PM

PERFECT CONDITIONS for us Snowcatters! What is all the fuss about on the road ways. Its just a little snow.:yum:

Conditions on I-80 at 4:30
I 80
[SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA]
A HIGH WIND ADVISORY IS IN EFFECT AT THE SAN FRANCISCO-OAKLAND BAY BRIDGE
/IN SAN FRANCISCO/ (SAN FRANCISCO,ALAMEDA CO's) - TRAVEL IS NOT RECOMMENDED
FOR CAMPERS, TRAILERS OR PERMIT LOADS

[IN THE SACRAMENTO VALLEY & SIERRA NEVADA]
**FOR EASTBOUND TRAFFIC:
IS CLOSED TO ALL EASTBOUND TRUCKS AT APPLEGATE (PLACER CO) - DUE TO
SPINOUTS - MOTORISTS ARE ADVISED TO USE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE

CHAINS ARE REQUIRED ON ALL VEHICLES EXCEPT 4-WHEEL-DRIVE VEHICLES WITH
SNOW TIRES ON ALL 4 WHEELS FROM NYACK (PLACER CO) TO THE NEVADA STATE LINE

**FOR WESTBOUND TRAFFIC:
WESTBOUND TRAFFIC IS BEING HELD FROM AT THE NEVADA STATE LINE - DUE TO
SNOW & ACCIDENTS - MOTORISTS ARE ADVISED TO USE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE

WESTBOUND TRAFFIC IS BEING HELD AT TRUCKEE (NEVADA CO) - DUE TO SNOW &
ACCIDENTS - MOTORISTS ARE ADVISED TO USE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE

SEMIS OVER 65 FEET OR WITH A KINGPIN TO REAR AXLE DISTANCE GREATER THAN
40 FEET ARE PROHIBITED FROM THROUGH TRAVEL ON US 50 & SR 70

EASTBOUND TRUCKS ARE BEING SCREENED AT APPLEGATE (PLACER CO) - DRIVERS MUST
HAVE MAXIMUM CHAINS IN THEIR POSSESSION IN ORDER TO PROCEED - PERMIT LOADS ARE
PROHIBITED

WESTBOUND TRUCKS ARE BEING SCREENED 5 MI WEST OF RENO (WASHOE CO) - DRIVERS
MUST HAVE MAXIMUM CHAINS IN THEIR POSSESSION IN ORDER TO PROCEED - PERMIT LOADS
ARE PROHIBITED

A HIGH WIND ADVISORY IS IN EFFECT OVER THE YOLO CAUSEWAY & OVER THE BRYTE
BEND BRIDGE /WEST OF SACRAMENTO/ (YOLO CO)

mbsieg

02-27-2007, 09:02 PM

PERFECT CONDITIONS for us Snowcatters! What is all the fuss about on the road ways. Its just a little snow.:yum:
My Biggest problem is that my snowcat is over 1000mi away?????? Maybe I can convince Mtntopper to bring it on over here to CA for me.....:wave:

Vance

02-27-2007, 09:57 PM

Okay, I'm on now....

Report from Meadow Vista just above Auburn at 1800 ft:

1 1/2 inches on the ground and still snowing good. From looking at the wx - it'll keep this up most of the night. I expect 4-6 at this elev by morning.

I STILL have confidence in the caltrans crew - as long as it's not blowing like a mf they'll have the road open (it could close overnight) by 7-8am. I don't care if chain controls are at Auburn - I'm fine with the drive. I planned on taking the Jeep but could take the Dodge if we need to fit more peeps. I suggest we caravan in 2 rigs in case it get dicey. I love this kind of wx!!!!

I say game on!!!

If anyone needs my cell number- just PM me. I sent it out earlier. If you have trouble getting to Auburn in the am then I'll come down the hill (I don't expect this).

See y'all in the am.

Vance

With another few inches I can take the sleds for a spin in the neighborhood... wooo hooo!!

Vance

02-27-2007, 10:09 PM

Okay, here is an update from my buddy who operates a groomer at Boreal and lives in Soda Springs.

Hey Vance,

I finally made it down to the parking lot today. 3' new since Sunday aft. Old 40 has not been plowed since early in the storm set. WB 80 is closed at the moment from NV to somewhere West of the summit. I've talked to 2 different friends one in TRK and one at Boreal and CHP/CT will not let them on 80. Anyway, unless you can chopper me down to Yuba Gap it looks like I am Towle-bound for another day or two. :-(

Attached are some pics indicative of the past 36-48 hrs. Tucker rear kingpin bolt backed out so she is out of commission for the time being. Using the Spryte which is a toy compared to the Tuckie but at least it works.

Please take pics tomorrow!

Thanks,
humpty

Keep in mind that these pics show the snow SINCE SUNDAY!!! There is about 9-12 feet of new snow in the last week...

Vance
:letitsnow: :snow2_smi: :letitsnow: :snow2_smi:

California

02-27-2007, 10:58 PM

OK, save his ass too on your way (but check to see if it's a 2-cycle before you take his gas).Here's the Biggest Stuck at Yuba Gap. A 6500hp transcontinental train bogged down and disappeared like that snowmobile. The passengers were stranded until the weather cleared and they could walk out (+ several more days to free the train). Two rescuers died.

Photo, after the weather cleared:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/milespost/Trains_01/stranded_streamliner.jpg

Story: (scroll down one screen)
http://scax-e-one.livejournal.com/123111.html

I'm old enough to remember that one. Relatives hung around in train terminals all through the storm waiting for news like they do today after an air crash.

Have you guys in the East heard of the Donner Party? That's why they call this Donner Pass.

Al, Vance, etc you guys take care out there.

mbsieg

02-27-2007, 11:08 PM

mbsieg

02-27-2007, 11:21 PM

[IN THE SACRAMENTO VALLEY & SIERRA NEVADA]
IS CLOSED TO WESTBOUND TRAFFIC AT THE NEVADA STATE LINE - DUE TO SNOW &
ACCIDENTS - MOTORISTS ARE ADVISED TO USE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE

IS CLOSED TO WESTBOUND TRAFFIC AT TRUCKEE (NEVADA CO) - DUE TO SNOW &
ACCIDENTS - MOTORISTS ARE ADVISED TO USE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE

CHAINS ARE REQUIRED ON ALL VEHICLES EXCEPT 4-WHEEL-DRIVE VEHICLES WITH
SNOW TIRES ON ALL 4 WHEELS FROM APPLEGATE (PLACER CO) TO THE
DONNER LAKE INTERCHANGE (NEVADA CO)

SEMIS OVER 65 FEET OR WITH A KINGPIN TO REAR AXLE DISTANCE GREATER THAN
40 FEET ARE PROHIBITED FROM THROUGH TRAVEL ON US 50 & SR 70

EASTBOUND TRUCKS ARE BEING SCREENED AT APPLEGATE (PLACER CO) - DRIVERS MUST
HAVE MAXIMUM CHAINS IN THEIR POSSESSION IN ORDER TO PROCEED - PERMIT LOADS ARE
PROHIBITED

WESTBOUND TRUCKS ARE BEING SCREENED 5 MI WEST OF RENO (WASHOE CO) - DRIVERS
MUST HAVE MAXIMUM CHAINS IN THEIR POSSESSION IN ORDER TO PROCEED - PERMIT LOADS
ARE PROHIBITED
8:30 still the same

Snowcat Operations

02-27-2007, 11:46 PM

Well all I can tell you is that the traffic will be kinda bad both West and South bound. If it were me I would be at the base of the mountain around 4:30 to 5:00 am at the latest. The great news is its not Friday or Saturday so you wont have the normal weekend traffic. It really shouldnt be to bad (remember I live in a very rural area and no one gives a shit if you drive in any condition so I judge things diffrently). So buck it up and get up earlier. Carry a bunch of food stuff and drinks (plus a nice big thermos with some fresh brewed coffee). Top off the tank. Have some chains. Carry some wool blankets and a pillow. Other than that have fun. Wish I lived closer.

Vance

02-27-2007, 11:58 PM

Here's the Biggest Stuck at Yuba Gap. A 6500hp transcontinental train bogged down and disappeared like that snowmobile. The passengers were stranded until the weather cleared and they could walk out (+ several more days to free the train). Two rescuers died.

Photo, after the weather cleared:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/milespost/Trains_01/stranded_streamliner.jpg

Story: (scroll down one screen)
http://scax-e-one.livejournal.com/123111.html

I'm old enough to remember that one. Relatives hung around in train terminals all through the storm waiting for news like they do today after an air crash.

Have you guys in the East heard of the Donner Party? That's why they call this Donner Pass.

Al, Vance, etc you guys take care out there.

Wow California... you remember that? - I'd love to hear some stories.

Here are a couple more links to that story and the weather history of Donner Pass. As you'll read... it was a Tucker that finally made it to the streamliner!!!:coolshade
http://www.thestormking.com/donner.pdf

http://www.timwafer.com/Tucker/catswalk.html

Don't worry - I have the utmost respect for the Sierra and am well prepared with chains and recovery gear.

Please take the time to read the articles above - very cool stuff.

Vance

mbsieg

02-28-2007, 12:02 AM

I will be at the coffee shop in Auburn by 6:30 I will need a ride from their so if you are for sure not going please let us know.. If no one is going then I will not go I will check my e mail at 4:30 before I leave SAC Hopefully someone is in Auburn to ride with the rest of the way....

Vance

02-28-2007, 12:10 AM

Hmmmmmm???? what is everyone thinking?????? Are we going to shoot the moon?????? If I am going to leave SAC in the AM it will have to be very early I am not going to drive on crappy roads in this much traffic......... Let me know everyones thoughts.... I would really like to go but lets not put anyone in danger!!!

Just to make it clear - this is pretty much normal for big storms in the Sierra. No sense in trying to get too early of a start because the crews wait 'til daylight to raise the restrictions anyway. There are about 50 big rigs out on 80 by my house waiting for the roads to open. Just like ususal.

Auburn is 5 miles below the current (and typical) closure at Applegate. I think that our planned departure at 7am is perfect. If it's still closed at that time then we'll have to rethink.

I'll be at Flour Garden and ready to go. This really isn't ANY different than the trip I took this past sunday. Only then the controls were 10 miles higher at Alta...

See you in the am,

Vance

mbsieg

02-28-2007, 12:15 AM

Sounds good I want to get out of here before traffic see Ya at 6:30

Snowcat Operations

02-28-2007, 12:30 AM

Dont forget the cameras and video recorder. Als who is bringing the bottle of milk to Christen BigAls Snowcat?

California

02-28-2007, 12:31 AM

Here's the best source of detail road info: CHP's live Incident Report. It shows everything that has an officer responding.

URL:
http://cad.chp.ca.gov/then choose Truckee in the upper left box.

Latest:
Incident # 1690Type:Traffic Hazard - VehicleLocation:WB I80 JEO SR20

9:03PMCAN HE SEND DRVR W/BIG RIG TOW W/WAY FR NYACK?
9:03PMBIG RIG TOW AT NYACK
9:03PM1021 NYACK, HE IS STUCK IN WB TRAFFIC
9:01PMROLL THE BIG RIG TOWS
8:54PMLINE 2 - MULTIPLE BIG RIGS W/NO CHAINS
8:54PMREQ BIG RIG TOWS

[I] Incident #0026-Chain Control is special, it is a continuously updated log of snow stuff. Currently:
8:32PMWB 80 AT FM JWO YUBA GAP TRAFFIC MOVING SLOWLY CT PUSHER IN AREA TO ASSIST BIG RIGS W/ GAINING TRACTION

Wow California... you remember that? - I'd love to hear some stories. Vance - I'm not *that* old! I was a litle kid. We listened to updates every hour on the radio and then there were full page articles in the paper when they go them out as I recall. During that era rich people had tv's, the class that would have 50 inch screens today. Not us.

Snowcat Operations

02-28-2007, 12:33 AM

:D What, you say you didnt have a tv and that you listened to the radio for entertainment and your not old? OK, I am down with that.:D

BigAl

02-28-2007, 12:34 AM

Well its not looking real good for me and the wife to go . I'll get up at about 4:30 and check road conditions . I use to work for "Kingvale" Caltrans as a blower operator and it will be a miracle if they get the road open that fast . "Whitmore" Caltrans just does not have enough equipment in the barn to move that much snow, that fast and graders can only push and stack snow so much . Even with a big "C" frame or Heeling plows they will be limited . Pack it too tight and it just slows the blowers down to a snails pace . They will have to blow it off the highway now and I think Whitmore only keeps two blowers in the yard . Thats a hell of a lot of snow for two blowers and I'm sure "Kingvale" Caltrans has their hands full over the summit too and can't loan any equipment or manpower down the hill to "Whitmore" Caltrans.

Say a prayer Boys .........because it will be a miracle if they get I-80 opened that fast .

Snowcat Operations

02-28-2007, 12:41 AM

May the Lord bless the Caltrans workers into getting off there arses and getting that snow gone so that my Brother BigAl will be able to show the Forums crew he has concord all obsticles in his way Good Lord with your help, and that it is YOUR will God that he comes home victorious in the knowledge he had done so with your help Lord. Cause we all know he is going to need it. AMEN.

California

02-28-2007, 01:16 AM

:D What, you say you didnt have a tv and that you listened to the radio for entertainment and your not old? OK, I am down with that.:DHey I didn't even have a TV by the time of the Moon Landing. (1968). Wasn't that train thing just a year or two prior? :D

Snowcat Operations

02-28-2007, 01:19 AM

Yah it was, but the Moon landing was in 1969.

Eric L

02-28-2007, 01:37 AM

Well you guys are all probly tucked into bed by now...

I'm still planning on going... Just not sure if I can get out in the AM. It's snowing like crazy here and I was blowing snow for 4 hours tonite. got the Sheburban stuck and had to use the Sno-Cat to get it out, and it wasn't easy either.

I was going to take the XJ, but the Sheburban does much better in the snow and Jen is staying in tomorrow, so I'll have lots of extra seats if anyone wants a ride.

Eric

Vance

02-28-2007, 02:01 AM

11pm update. I-80 Eastbound is open!!! Woo hoo. Chains required 5 mi east of Auburn.

Eric, If you want to carpool - you can ride with Mike and I from Auburn in the Jeep TJ if you don't mind the back seat.

Going to bed now -storm seems to be settling down.

Vance

Eric L

02-28-2007, 02:29 AM

Hell, we can put the TJ on the roof of the Sheburban... we'll figure something out in the AM...

mbsieg

02-28-2007, 06:18 AM

3 AM check in I am still a go if everybodyelse is... Anyone can call me at 487 7600 room 233 If your from ca you know the area code.... Call anytime...... I am in SAC.. A ride from here would be great Eric.... Mike..... I will throw in gas money....

Eric L

02-28-2007, 06:59 AM

Mike, I'm on my way out the door... I'll be calling you in a bit

BigAl

02-28-2007, 07:06 AM

I'll try to make it ,
I may just see you at the meet if getting to Auburn is a mess
Allen

mbsieg

02-28-2007, 07:10 AM

Hey BigAl you may have to use Yetti to pull the roads out of your development?????? Sure Hope to see you their.....

Jen's Jeep

02-28-2007, 07:11 AM

You all have fun.....Im home with 3 sleeping kiddo's. Sorry I missed you guy's........I'd love to meet you all!

Im heading back to bed, where it's nice and warm:coolshade .............as long as I dont get a call from Eric saying he needs another tow:snow2_smi:

mbsieg

02-28-2007, 08:03 AM

I am catching a ride with eric see ya in Aubrun.....

BigAl

02-28-2007, 06:55 PM

Update :
Well Karen and I just returned home from the shootout . It was kinda a bust for us . Mike ,Vance and Eric were able to get out to the test area but after waiting 4 hours at the lodge for the trip up the hill , Karen was cold and my old back was starting to ache so we just headed home . Hopefully the boys got some great pictures and will post them later . The BV206 got stuck on the first trip to the test site and the 6 CamoPlast were not ready to go until about 2 hours later . The 2 tuckers ,I assume, were at the test site but I never saw them again ,so who knows . I think it was just too much snow too fast for the resort to handle . We had to wait about 45 minutes on the access road while the snowblower blew out the parking lot . I sure am glad I left the KT7 home as there was not much parking room avalible . Art Seely and his crew did the best they could for the conditions , but just about everything that could go wrong ,went wrong . Maybe next year ...

When we got home there was a message that our Uncle had passed away so it just ended up being a lousy day .