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Dargo
10-16-2006, 09:24 AM
My son took my Casio Exlim 5 mp camera on a trip and really loved it, so I gave it to him. I'm leaving Wednesday afternoon for another trip to Grand Cayman and wanted to take a small camera, so I need to replace that camera right away. My first choice seems to be the newer version of the sub-compact Casio which is a 10.1 mp camera. Here is where I've seen the best deal Casio - EXILM EX-Z1000 Digital Camera (http://www2.butterflyphoto.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=EXZ1000&cm_mmc=PriceGrabber-_-Casio-_-Point%20and%20Shoot-_-EXILM%20EX-Z1000%20Digital%20Camera&bsk=1)

Any comments on other similar cameras or where I may get a better price? The local price is $400 plus at Circuit City or Best Lie. I just got a new Consumer Reports mag this week and it lists that Casio Exlim tops in the sub-compact range point and shoot camera. Any suggestions? I'm going to have to order this morning to get it on time. Thanks!

bczoom
10-16-2006, 09:32 AM
Dargo,

Interesting you should post this today. I spent time over the weekend looking for a similar camera. In the other camera thread, Bob recommended I look at the Canon Powershot S series. Unfortunately, there was too many S & SD models for me to choose one in the limited time I had.

Melensdad
10-16-2006, 09:45 AM
I'm a big fan of the Canon S500. (I've also got its predecessor the S230, and I presume they now have a more advanced model than the S500?) Not the very smallest camera out there, but the picture quality is very very good for a little pocket camera. I also like some of the features like the print link that allows you to print directly to many printers using the camera controls to edit the photos (as opposed to needing a computer to edit, or as opposed to printer editing with I find to be substandard). I also have a very compact "dive case" for my S500 that is waterproof to 60' so it is great for taking onto the dive boat, fishing boats, etc.

Panasonic Lumix has some small cameras with image stabilizaion that are worth a look, but your time issue my prevent you from finding the best of the best for your needs???

Dargo
10-16-2006, 10:05 AM
It appears as if I'd have to go to the Canon SD9000 to get similar features (mp, iso rate, image stabilization, etc.) and that costs almost $200 more. :eek: The Casio and Canon are the top rated brands with both rated with the best possible print quality.

Dargo
10-18-2006, 07:41 AM
I got the Exlim EX-Z1000 camera yesterday. So far it seems awesome! The flesh tones and colors seem to be right on as well as the 10.1 mp camera taking great pics. I'll take some pics in Grand Cayman this week with it.

Doc
10-18-2006, 08:00 AM
I googled it and it looks like a darn nice camera. I had no idea Casio was making cameras now. It has a HUGE display window. Me likey!! :D
Here's a link to the one I saw:
http://www.casio.com/products/Cameras/Exilim_Zoom/EX-Z1000/

bczoom
12-26-2006, 12:22 PM
OK. My review after 2 weeks.

Camera: Canon SD600

I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THIS CAMERA.

After doing some checking on the internet, I WOULD NOT BUY ANY CAMERA OR ANY OTHER PRODUCT FROM CANON.

I took some pictures over the weekend. All was fine. I turn the camera on Christmas morning and the LCD is cracked (from the inside).

So, I did a google search on what it takes to fix it. I couldn't believe:
1. How many people have this issue with many of the Canon cameras. There's pages upon pages within google and several forums with 10+ pages of people reporting the problem.
2. Canon's response to the issue. They claim it's due to impact. WTF? I, like many others used it gently then pick it up for the next use and it's dead. They then want about $150 to fix it (but the camera's only $220). :mad:

I'll be calling their support line but don't have high hopes. I did find a couple places where you can buy a new LCD and either they'll fix it or provide instructions on how to fix yourself.

There's actually a couple class-action lawsuits against Canon for ignoring known issues with their products.

Doc
12-26-2006, 12:55 PM
Our daughter and son-in-law bought a Nikon Coolpix 8 megapixel camera. I got to play with it over the holidays. Wow is it nice. Very small. Huge viewfinder display. Quickly understood user interface. Long lasting rechargable battery. I think they said it ran around 500. I'll give this one a serious look when it's time for me to buy another camera.

bczoom
12-26-2006, 01:27 PM
Doc - Do you know which model Nikon that was?

Brent - I don't see it anywhere so I'm guessing it doesn't have it but can you take any short videos with the Casio?

Gatorboy
12-26-2006, 01:29 PM
After doing some checking on the internet, I WOULD NOT BUY ANY CAMERA OR ANY OTHER PRODUCT FROM CANON.

Maybe I'm biased for I own over $12,000 worth of Canon equipment -- but they are the #1 manufacturer for sports photographers -- their products are very good, as well as their customer service.

bczoom
12-26-2006, 01:41 PM
their products are very good, as well as their customer service.
TBD for me...

The camera broke within a month.
An internet seach shows it as a common problem and Canon doesn't seem to want to do anything about it (other than rip-off the customer).
CNet and others won't recommend the camera.
Consumer Affairs is talking about a couple class action suits against Canon.

I called their customer service. Their recording "assured me" that if I left my contact info, I'll get a call back within 30 minutes. It's only been a little over an hour but I have yet to be called back.

DaveNay
12-26-2006, 01:43 PM
It's only been a little over an hour but I have yet to be called back.

I think a little leeway is warranted on the day after Christmas for any customer service hotline. :whistle:

bczoom
12-26-2006, 01:46 PM
I think a little leeway is warranted on the day after Christmas for any customer service hotline. :whistle:
I called their Tech Support line.

Based on their recording, it sounded like the "you will be on hold for approximately nn minutes" type of recording.

I'm in no hurry for the next hour or 2 but need to get an idea from Canon so I know what kind of new camera I'm buying tonight.

California
12-26-2006, 02:36 PM
By chance I came to this thread straight from the Panasonic forum on dpReview.com (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1033).

I like my Panasonic TZ-1 and just gave one to Younger Daughter for Christmas. This model is the only pocketable 10x zoom on the market and it makes excellent short videos also. There are better cameras for primarily indoors use, but outdoors for nature or tourism photography there is nothing like it.

Here's what I was reading. It's typical of many posts in that forum:

"A friend of mine and a family member recently purchased the TZ1 based on my experience with Panasonic camera's and a little bit of research.
Firstly, their expectations did not exceed the capablity of any prospective camera, and they wanted a point and shoot with big zoom and compactness, so enter the TZ1! Both were very pleasantly suprised with what they got - I have now spent some time assisting them and taking lots of different samples to demonstrate the capability of the camera.
The construction of the camera is excellent, it fits in a pocket, the zoom is very good, the optics first class - pictures and sharp, clear and have good colour balance. Outdoor results are excellent, indoor results very good.
The video is very impressive, and the stabilisation and zoom capability during video is very usefull and very good.
The high angle lcd adjustment is good, so you can hold the camera high above your head and use the screen.
It all comes down to your needs and your own opinion in the end - In my opinion, if you want the best compact large zoom camera on the market today, that offers full point and shoot, no fuss, with all round excellent results, and excellent value (check the excellent Leica optics for example)then have a serious look at this camera - On top of that its fun to use, and you won't put it down.
For travel, and every day use it would be hard to find a better little all round camera."


Younger Daughter is interested in nature photography. No kid is going to listen to Dad's advice for more than 5 minutes on Christmas day, so I followed up with an email to her pointing out some sample TZ-1 nature photos on the web:

"For the TZ-1, John Reed is the most prominent disciple [on dpReview.com]. He lives [near SF Bay] and occasionally organizes birder outing to his nearby marshlands.

Reed Examples:
http://john-reed.smugmug.com/gallery/1357189/6/66835144
http://john-reed.smugmug.com/gallery/1357189/8/69002498
http://john-reed.smugmug.com/gallery/1357189/9/69691616
http://john-reed.smugmug.com/gallery/1357189/9/69692961
http://john-reed.smugmug.com/gallery/1357189/10/69693188
http://john-reed.smugmug.com/gallery/1357189/12/70786911
http://john-reed.smugmug.com/gallery/1357189/19/104167534
http://john-reed.smugmug.com/gallery/1357189/20/106406229


Enjoy!"

California
12-26-2006, 02:57 PM
Photography rule #1.

It doesn't count if you don't have the camera with you.

bczoom
12-26-2006, 03:11 PM
Thanks guys.

The Casio doesn't seem to have video capability so I'm leaning away from it.

I'm currently high-bidder on an e-bay auction for the Panasonic.

Dargo
12-26-2006, 03:18 PM
Brent - I don't see it anywhere so I'm guessing it doesn't have it but can you take any short videos with the Casio?

Oh yeah, they are great. I thought that I was told by someone that there is a 2 minute limit. That isn't so. I've probably taken about, well I can look and see.....887, pictures with the camera so far and a couple dozen videos. I bought five 2gb SD chips at Best Lie the day after Thanksgiving for $29 each. I know I've done over 20 minutes of video on a chip along with dozens and dozens of 10 mp stills.

About the only thing that my Coolpix 8800 does better is the image stabilization. It sort of sucks of the little Casio, so I just leave it turned off. So far, the only thing I don't get good pics with is when I'm sitting in the stands of a school assembly and I'm trying to take a picture of my daughter about 50 yards away. The zoom works fine, but the flash is obviously worthless at that range. Without the flash, I get dark pics. I assume that there is some way I could use my tripod and do something with the settings to get a good pic, but I haven't read that far in the instructions yet. Heck, I have the same issue with the CoolPix 8800vr, but sometimes it selects something automatically that comes out okay. Maybe Gatorboy can tell me what to do? Maybe he'll tell me to go pound sand too...:whistle:

Anyway, I have to agree with Consumer Reports on their ratings of the little Casio 10 mp camera. It takes great shots, the battery lasts forever, and you can get tons of images and video clips on a 2 gb chip. And, as I figured, I seem to be willing to carry it along nearly all the time so it gets used the most. :thumb:

I don't know how to shrink a video clip down enough to post, but BC, if you want to see a 15 second clip of my dad "unwrapping" my youngest yesterday, I can email the clip to you. Just send me an email if you want me to send it to you. It seems to take better video clips than my aunt's Panasonic "camcorder" that doesn't use any media and uses only memory. Plus, it is just so much better at stills. I can send you some stills from Hawaii or Grand Cayman from it if you want as well.

bczoom
12-26-2006, 03:27 PM
Thanks Brent.

The CoolPix 8800vr isn't a pocket size so that's out.

Dang. :confused2:
Get the Panasonic, the Casio, the Nikon or all 3?

I'll have the Canon as well once I fix it but I'm giving that one back to Mrs. Zoom. It is her camera as a Christmas present to herself but I was using it so at least one of us knew how to use it by Christmas so we could get pics of the kids. She was livid when she found out it was broken right before Christmas morning

PS. It's now 3 hours later and Canon hasn't called back...:whistle:

Dargo
12-26-2006, 04:34 PM
The CoolPix 8800vr isn't a pocket size...

Unless you have some really big ass pockets! :eek:

cj7
12-26-2006, 04:55 PM
I have a Coolpix 6 from Nikon very nice unit. Lots of features and fits in my back pocket if I need it to.

My wife uses a Canon and it has been great too and she is hard on them. wonder why your LCD cracked bc?

I did some searching on the net first and went to wally world to try them out, then bought it the Nikon from Amazon.

I have heard that if you buy from Costco you can return them at any time for any reason and they will replace it.....

Doc
12-26-2006, 07:06 PM
Doc - Do you know which model Nikon that was?



Sorry I don't know the model number. But I'll find out for you.
Another feature it had which might help you pin down which it is, was a panoramic view. You could take 3 or more pics in paneramic view and it puts them side by side for an extra wide angle view.
This one was pocket size for sure. Small and thinner than most I've used.

Edit to add:
I believe it is the Nikon P4.
I double check with my daughter tomorrow.

bczoom
12-26-2006, 09:01 PM
OK, I've just spent the past couple hours reading up on cameras. I think I have it narrowed down to one of the following.

Thanks to all thoughts so far. I have looked into every camera mentioned and several others. A couple got removed due to an inherent something that won't work for us but I did find a similar model as a substitute.

Since this will be a substitute for Mrs. Zoom, I'm having her go to the store and look at these cameras, in the sequence listed to see what she likes.

Any thoughts????

Casio Exilim EX-Z1000
Casio Exilim EX-S770
Casio Exilim EX-Z600
Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ1K (aka Panasonic TZ-1?)
Nikon Coolpix L6
Nikon Coolpix L5
Nikon Coolpix P4 - This one is at the bottom only because it's a bit more than Mrs. Zoom wants to spend but I'm keeping it on the list for myself

DaveNay
12-26-2006, 10:14 PM
Any thoughts????

Casio Exilim EX-Z1000

The EX-Z1000 (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/casioz1000/) is the small format camera that is at the top of my list. The feature in particular I like is the very fast shutter release. My wife can't deal with a slow shutter, and she squeezes harder, causeing the camera to shake and get a blurry picture. It also boasts a ISO3200, but I don't know what the picture quality is like at that speed.

I thought Dargo mentioned once before that he has this model?

California
12-26-2006, 10:57 PM
Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ1K (aka Panasonic TZ-1?)
Yep.
Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ1K = black,
Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ1S = silver,
and they also have blue and champagne gold.

bczoom
12-27-2006, 06:36 AM
I thought Dargo mentioned once before that he has this model?
Yep. The other Casio's come pretty highly rated as well so I want Mrs. Zoom to look at those as well.

bczoom
01-05-2007, 03:46 PM
A "sort of" follow-up.

The SD model is gone. Mrs. Zoom got a Canon A630 (http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=145&modelid=14108) instead.
It's not a pocket camera but that was something more important to me than her. She did get a Canon so her dad is happy.

I bought the Casio EX-Z1000 for myself but haven't received it yet.

Doc
01-05-2007, 04:43 PM
Sounds like a win win situation for sure BC. :thumb:

bczoom
01-05-2007, 05:04 PM
Sounds like a win win situation for sure BC. :thumb:
It's a win-win now that we each have our own.

We had a couple ugly conversations over the holidays...
1. I got blamed for braking her new camera (she never even had a chance to use it). An internet search proved they break on their own but that didn't seem to change anything.
2. I downloaded all the pics from her new camera onto the PC and erased the SD drive for re-use (which has been the process for the past several years). Well, since she now has a stand-alone photo printer (and in this case was going to give the SD drive to her Dad so he had Christmas pics), I got in big trouble. I wish someone would tell me the new rules when they change them...

After those 2 fiascos, I decided it's time for her to have her own stuff that I won't touch...

bczoom
01-09-2007, 10:45 PM
I received my Casio today.

I've only taken a half-dozen shots but this thing is sweet!!!

All the controls and menu options are easy to navigate.

Picture quality is very good. I took 1 quick video and the quality is a bit grainy but I guess that's to be expected from a pocket camera...

Brent The only manual I received is titled "Basic Reference" and it tells me how to do very basic things. Did you get an advanced manual?

California
01-10-2007, 12:26 AM
:nopics:

Gatorboy
01-10-2007, 06:45 AM
:nopics:

I'll provide a picture. This is a self-portrait taken while looking for a Christmas tree to cut down. Taken with my wife's Canon A620.

http://www.pbase.com/image/71415291.jpg

Dargo
01-10-2007, 08:21 AM
I received my Casio today.

Brent The only manual I received is titled "Basic Reference" and it tells me how to do very basic things. Did you get an advanced manual?

If I'm not mistaken, it was about the same size as the camera, possibly a bit thicker. I can look later, but I thought there was a manual that was even a bit thicker than the one that came with the 5 mp Casio I gave my son.

bczoom
01-10-2007, 08:28 AM
My knowledge of camera settings is pretty low. It appears the options are the same as Mrs. Zoom's A-630 so I can just use her manual. It just surprised me that it didn't have one.

elsmitro
01-10-2007, 09:03 AM
I’m no photofile but I do know THESE (http://www.mysmallwonder.com/) were creating a lot of buzz at the latest Las Vegas Tech convention (and best of all their cheap).

bczoom
01-10-2007, 09:16 AM
I just took a quick look. Those are mini-camcorders and don't take still photos.

elsmitro
01-10-2007, 10:01 AM
Hmm, well if your into that kind of stuff it's probably pretty easy to snip images for pictures out of the videos.?

Dargo
01-10-2007, 11:07 AM
I'll provide a picture. This is a self-portrait taken while looking for a Christmas tree to cut down. Taken with my wife's Canon A620.

http://www.pbase.com/image/71415291.jpg

Did they arrest that criminal caught on the game camera stealing Christmas trees?? :yum: :yankchain:

elsmitro
01-10-2007, 11:12 AM
Arrested AND deported!

bczoom
01-10-2007, 08:57 PM
:nopics:
OK, took a couple hundred pics today. Mainly bunker but set at 5M so too big to upload.

I set the camera to its lowest resolution and took a couple pics. Pardon the scene but it's what I had available at the time.

Gatorboy
01-11-2007, 06:26 AM
OK, took a couple hundred pics today. Mainly bunker but set at 5M so too big to upload.

I suggest always using the largest setting. You can always reduce the size of the image.

Dargo
01-11-2007, 07:56 AM
I suggest always using the largest setting. You can always reduce the size of the image.

Holy cow! I've done at least one thing right!! :o :cool2:

bczoom
04-16-2014, 12:03 PM
I bought the Casio EX-Z1000 for myself but haven't received it yet.
OK, here we are over 7 years later.

No idea what happened to Mrs. Zooms camera(s) and I think the kids each went through a couple but that Casio is still running strong.

I just rolled over 10,000 pictures with it. The bad part is I can't change how the files are named so it just rolled over to CIMG0001. Well, that's also the name of the first pic I took with this camera.

It looks like the Exilim is a decent product since you can still buy them.

I will say that my new phone probably takes better pictures so it's now used as much as the camera.

Doc
04-16-2014, 12:28 PM
I keep pics from each year in a different folder ... 2013 2014 etc etc. So the numbering issue would never be a prob unless I took over 10k pics in one year. :eek: That's sure not going to happen.
I rarely take my camera out anymore, I use my smartphone. That is the best answer to the question: what is the best pocket camera today ....a smartphone.

EastTexFrank
04-16-2014, 03:33 PM
Amazing how times change, isn't it?

bczoom
04-16-2014, 04:43 PM
I rarely take my camera out anymore, I use my smartphone. That is the best answer to the question: what is the best pocket camera today ....a smartphone.
Never really looked into the details but there was something about the metadata in the smart phones where it provides location of where the pic was taken. There's times I don't want location information retained or shared.

EastTexFrank
04-17-2014, 01:04 AM
Never really looked into the details but there was something about the metadata in the smart phones where it provides location of where the pic was taken. There's times I don't want location information retained or shared.

That is a concern.

I saw a program on TV about it a while back. I think that it was 60 Minutes. I can't remember all the details but they had one of their secretaries take pictures of her little boy at home, in preschool and at the local park and post them on Facebook. They had some computer guy download the photos and he was able to come up with the locations where each of the photos was shot. I find that scary!!!!

Doc
04-17-2014, 06:27 AM
Never really looked into the details but there was something about the metadata in the smart phones where it provides location of where the pic was taken. There's times I don't want location information retained or shared.
True BC. I saw the same report Frank mentions above on 60 minutes. I rarely want the location the pic was taken to be embedded in the pic meta data, so I simply turn that off. It is off all the time unless I turn it on.
For my phone (iPhone) just go to location services. I can leave it on for weather or map sites and turn it off for pics, or I can turn it off for all location services. Easy to do once you know.
I suspect if you google location services and your particular smart phone that you will find instructions on how to view your current settings, and toggle it on or off as you wish.

JimVT
04-17-2014, 10:56 AM
my old sony pocket phone came with a gps . I kept it off but you could load pictures at home and view the location on google earth. it was another useless feature for me.
it wasn't a good one and was discontinued. the non gps sony I have now seems good.
I cant compare any because I always buy sony.
jim