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Melensdad
01-10-2012, 12:04 PM
Some of the things on the list below make sense. But the folks at the police department want you to learn self-defense while they don't want you to carry a gun. So does that mean they want 110# women to take a couple judo classes and do hand-to-hand combat with a 200# attacking male? Seems like that is sort of silly, why do they encourage hand-to-hand combat self-defense but not the use of a gun for self-defense which has proven to reduce risk to the victim?

OH, and I like the advice "know where the telephones are along the route . . ." what is this the 1960's with pay phones and phone booths dotting the landscape?


http://www.evansvillepolice.com/safety-tips#safety away from home

Safety Away from Home


On the Street and Other Places

Let someone know where you are going and when you expect to return.
Walk with a friend or family member.
Walk with confidence and know where you are going. Be alert. Make eye contact with people you pass.
Watch your surroundings. Leave any places in which you are uncomfortable. Be especially alert for suspicious persons around banks, ATMs (Automated Teller Machines), stores, your home, etc.
Cross the street if you see someone suspicious following you.
Walk into an open business and call 911 if you see anyone acting suspicious or following you. Don’t go home.
Don’t go out alone at night, venture into unfamiliar or dark places, take shortcuts, talk to or accept rides with strangers, or hitch rides. Don’t walk in or near alleys, on deserted streets, near dark doorways or shrubbery.
Don’t approach vehicles even if the occupants say they need directions or assistance.
Consider your options in the event you are confronted, e.g., scream or blow a whistle to attract attention, flee to a safe area, etc. Decide what you plan to do and practice your responses so you can recall them in a real situation.
Learn self-defense. Take classes only from licensed instructors. But don’t substitute self-defense training for common sense, alertness, and caution.
Know where telephones are along your route.
Carry cash and credit cards in a pocket.
Carry change for emergency telephone and transportation. 911 calls are free.
Carry identification, medical information, names and phone numbers of people to call in emergencies.
Carry only necessities.
Avoid verbal confrontations. They may lead to physical altercations.
Don’t leave notes on your door when you are away from home.
Don’t leave keys in mailboxes or planters, under doormats, or in other obvious hiding spots. Leave an extra key with a neighbor.
Don’t carry a gun, knife, club, chemical spray, or other weapon. Some are illegal to carry and all could be used against you.

FrancSevin
01-10-2012, 12:18 PM
The best advice I ever got on this subject was from my nephew. He has served two tours in Afhganistan and is now a captain in the Iowa guard.

One) Approach everyone you meet with the conscious possibliy that they may want to harm you.

Two) Carry.

Simple and effective.

joec
01-10-2012, 12:21 PM
Well as an ex karate instructor who taught a number of women they don't do well in street situations in general. I've seen one or two over the years that I felt could hold their own as they had what it takes to stick a key, pen etc into another's eyes but they are few and far between. With that said I've also had men students that didn't have the instinct either to hurt someone. Few go further than beginner levels really.

pirate_girl
01-10-2012, 12:44 PM
:eek:

jimbo
01-10-2012, 03:32 PM
"Besides even with a gun some men and women will freeze and rarely are capable of using it."
Joe, I think that is the first rule of self defense. If you cannot use whatever self defense you choose to defend, then you will end up dead. The time to decide is long before the confrontation.

Too many people do not do this.

SShepherd
01-10-2012, 04:04 PM
good greif, is this retard getting money from the classes ??? I suggest this- with the wording of what i see there, and if someone takes it as gospel he's oprn to some serious lidigation. I'm guessin this guy's never been in a fight..let alone have some pull a knife on him if he has not gun.

.................idiot

FrancSevin
01-10-2012, 04:12 PM
"Besides even with a gun some men and women will freeze and rarely are capable of using it."
Joe, I think that is the first rule of self defense. If you cannot use whatever self defense you choose to defend, then you will end up dead. The time to decide is long before the confrontation.

Too many people do not do this.

Agreed. If you have any qualms about taking a life in self defense or the defense of others, then don't confront and don't carry.

loboloco
01-10-2012, 04:31 PM
There are a special name for the people who follow that set of instructions: Victims.

Danang Sailor
01-10-2012, 05:03 PM
It is also wise to know when to fight and when not to. I've heard people that have concealed carry permits say all the time I only carry if I going to be somewhere I might need a gun. If that is the case then don't go or forget about a handgun and bring a bigger rifle, otherwise always carry period. Emotion guides most people though and it is hard to learn for most to control it. It does take training for most of us humans to not get angry from little things sometimes. My philosophy is simple really, it isn't worth fighting over unless it is worth killing over then don't talk just do it.

I agree completely; either carry every time you walk out the front door, or don't carry at all. The person who only carries
"sometimes" is not going to be ready to act quickly and decisively when TSHTF. When I step down off the porch
I have, at a minimum, one handgun and one tough (and sharp!) knife.

If you carry all the time, practice with your weapons, and develop the mindset that you'll do whatever it takes to
protect you and yours, the odds are in your favor when that confrontation comes; you'll also have a better chance of
avoiding that confrontation, because you'll be much more aware of your surroundings all the time. If you're not
willing to do all that you're better off going weaponless, as the odds will be against you when the Bad Guys arrive.

Catavenger
01-10-2012, 08:45 PM
Let someone know where you are going and when you expect to return. Brilliant that way if the woman doesn't return on time the"someone" will know she has be raped and is dead in an alley.
I hope the police there don't carry guns because the bad guys can just take them away & use them against them.
Police Chief sounds like a moron.

joec
01-10-2012, 09:45 PM
I wasn't aware that my daughter was having problems and never meet the guy even when I saw her for 4th of July 2001 (she died Sept. 13, 2001 and was born on Sept 11th). If the police had let me near him I don't know if he would be in their custody today but I might have been. They say the average American family is 2.4 kids and based on 2 of my 4 I can relate to the .4 part though. At least her oldest daughter turned out well and is expecting or first great grand daughter. They still live in Louisiana though and I can't seem to change their mind about that place.