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VERY COMPLEX MACHINERY

Mechanos

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RESOLVE TO PERFORM WHAT YOU OUGHT:
PERFORM WITHOUT FAIL WHAT YOU RESOLVE. Ben Franklin​

I resolve to: Create 100,000 New Jobs
Advance medical procedures by one order of magnitude
Save many firefighters lives​

Lofty Goals!
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Did you ever wonder HOW one would go about constructing something as complex as CP30, or the Terminator? I started wondering about that specific question around 1960. When you work on a problem long enough, you can often solve it.

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Fire Fighting DATA

SPEAK NOT BUT WHAT MAY BENEFIT OTHERS OR YOURSELF.
AVOID TRIFLING CONVERSATION. Ben Franklin​
A robot, cyborg, or automaton as complex as this will not be constructed by people. It will be built by a machine. The development of this machine has some interesting byproducts. We will cover that material shortly. It's a marriage of concepts, that all already exists. A massive integration of some stuff we already have. Very little new stuff has to be invented. This really isn't that unrealistic an undertaking.
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OUR WORD HERO, IS DERRIVED FROM HERON OF ALEXANDRIA'S NAME.
 

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HERO

Before we get into the "nuts & bolts" of the actual construction, which will integrate schemes from the printing industry, aviation industry, crane industry, semiconductor industry, and a whole lot of other technologies to the medical industry,... let's take a moment to honor Heron of Alexandria:
There is an outstanding documentary from the history channel on him that has not been released for reproduction yet.

Hero (Heron) of Alexandria (AD 20-62)

A Greek mathematician, scientist and inventor who is mostly renowned for his works in mechanics, mathematics and physics. Although there were about 18 Greek writers under the name of Hero or Heron, this specific Greek scientist was known as Hero or Heron of Alexandria.

Heron is believed to have been born in Egypt in the year 20.

Most of his works were accomplished in Alexandria, Egypt. He developed many mechanical machines that had practical uses. They included a water organ, fire engine, a coin-operated device, and the aeolipile. The latter device was the earliest known steam-powered engine, which was a rotary steam engine that consisted of a sphere mounted on a boiler and having two canted nozzles to produce a rotary motion from the escaping steam. The siphon, known as Hero's fountain, was an instrument that produces a vertical jet of water by air pressure. The dioptra was a primitive surveying device.

Heron was well known for his studies in geometry (a branch of mathematics that studies the relationships, measurements and properties of points, lines, angles and solids) and in geodesy (a branch of mathematics that searches to determine the size and shape of earth, and the location of objects or areas on the earth).
One of his most important works was the collection of his books of Metrica, which was found in the year 1896. In Book I he portrays a derivation of Heron's formula that expresses the are of a triangle in terms of its sides. This formula originated from his attempt to demonstrate that the angle of incidence in optics is equal to the angle of reflection. Book II of the Metrica describes methods of calculating or finding the volumes of bodies such as cylinders, cones, pyramids, prisms, parallelepipeds, spheres, etc. Book III covers the division of volumes and areas into parts of given ratios. He also wrote books based on mechanics and other subjects. Among those are Automatopoietica, Pneumatica, Belopoeica, and Cheirobalistra.

Hero of Alexandria died in the year 62.
 

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FROM SURGERY TO CYBORGS


Time for me to: “Perform without fail what you resolve”


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“If your going to the moon, no amount of preparation is too much preparation” MLS

This presentation will outline the development of Computer Aided Surgical Operating Systems. Ones that will be able to perform operations and surgical feats with a degree of precision and speed that human hands will never be able to do. Modifications to this same equipment will develop into the machinery to build robots, automatons, and cybernetic machinery.
This is something that hasn’t been built yet, but will be like putting together LEGO’s or and Erector Set, granted a bit more complex..


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ORDER OF MAGNITUDE


An “Order of Magnitude” is usually defined as something like: 10’s is the first order, 100, would be the second order, 1000’s would be the third… and so on.

For the sake of understanding a significant concept in this development, we will outline our own “ORDER OF MAGNITUDE” as follows:

1) Components of an Atom, Electron, Proton, Neutron.
2) A complete Atom such as Hydrogen.
3) A Molecule, such as Water.
4) An Organic compound such as a Protein.
5) A single Cell.
6) A complete Organ.
Current surgical procedures take place between 5 & 6. Not much surgery is done below the size of a human cell.

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Now there are 2 distinct groups that are building “things” in the realm of Molecular, or (3) on our Order of Magnitude chart. They are the folks building Integrated circuits, and the group doing NANO technology. Both groups are currently building devices that come close to being single molecule in size. So what we have is 2 groups that have developed machinery that can work in a size range, almost 2 full orders of magnitude smaller that the current state of the art in Surgery. This is a significant and important concept to grasp.
We Want to modify and adapt this equipment to do Surgery.
It would be really nice to be able to perform operations on a cellular level, well out of the ability of most surgeons. But machines can perform feats that humans just can’t.

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Take this Web Press, it can make picture perfect copies of Time Magazine and National Geographic at a rate of roughly 30,000 per hour. Rembrandt and Vincent van Gogh would be jealous!
Next we want to apply Henry Fords ideas about assembly lines. It just so happens that the Printing industry has greatly refined these processes.
In fact the printing industry has a wealth of contributions to make to the development of this medical equipment. Some of their refinements will make the equipment not only “user friendly” but “Patient Friendly”. It has to do with the “Operator Side” and the “Drive Side”, terms only a pressman would be familiar with. It’s a bit hard to see in the pictures, but there is a drive shaft that prohibits access on one side of a web press.
For our purposes the “Operator Side” will become the “Patient Side”.

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The first step is to place the patient on a movable carriage and pass them thru a series of scanners that will x-Ray, Ultra Sound, and CAT Scan the patient. This information will be fed into a computer or PLC (Programmable Logic Controller).


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The MAIN Operating Head, will be our modified Chip/NANO tech manufacturing machine. It will be controlled by a combination of Humans, and computers. The “Operator Interface” will be something like the cockpit of a modern jumbo jet but instead of a Pilot, Copilot, and Flight Engineer, it will have a Doctor, a Surgeon, and an Anesthesiologist.

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Our new process equipment is going to have a CIP System, (Clean In Place), which will amount to a built-in Autoclave. The design actually is from the Dairy industry.


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We will also incorporate a Collision Avoidance System, grafted from both the Aviation Industry, and the Crane and Materials handling Industry’s.

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Our new machine is going to have Both a UPS, (Uninterruptible Power Supply) and Generator Back-up. Once you start a series of operations you are not going to want to have to stop, especially in the middle of a procedure. You know how people are, if there’s a way to mickey-mouse it, bypass a safety feature, or “Cheat the System” they will try.
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Can't say as I've studied 'Magnetrition'. I have studied 'Rocket Science' a bit.


There are some other considerations that will be needed to be included into the design:
The new machine will have to have a built in diagnostics feature for troubleshooting the machine itself.
It will have to have triple and even quadruple redundancy.
Integrated into it’s programming will be a critical life function protection system. This will prevent you from doing something you shouldn’t do such as cut a vital artery.
We will also want to incorporate a “learning function”: Example:
Suppose in the course of an operation something goes wrong, say the patients airway gets blocked, BUT, the anesthesiologist thinks quick, injects additional oxygen into the patients blood giving the surgeon time to clear the airway and WHEW! Close call! We want to be able to go CLICK and Save, and have that procedure stored in the computer for future reference.

There is another feature that comes from a really unlikely source. When one is learning to dance, they used to have phonographs that were variable speed so that people could start out slow and gradually do the dance steps faster and faster. In ballet classes they often have a pianists for the same reason. So we perform our first operation, say an appendectomy. Now for the next patient, between what the computer remembered, and what the DATA base generated by all our initial scans, Xray, Ultra sound, Infra Red, Optical, and Cat Scans, we can gradually speed up the process. This in turn reduces stress on the patient, as well as blood loss. That in turn allows for more complex operations.

Now there is rule that says we can only have 1,2,or 3 attending surgeons for a procedure. In a real operating theatre there are physical limitations. With the computer interface there is nothing to limit the number of attending specialists. A nerve specialists can be sitting at one simulator, using the electronics to blow up the image 5000 times, right while a Vascular Expert is making similar observations on another computer screen. It would really help to understand this better if one had some experience in working with micro film, reading satellite photos, and performing precision etching under a microscope. The ability to enlarge, or shrink both the images and the movements of the machinery would allow very finite control.
 

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OK, so now you have an Idea of what the goal is. Let’s look at the aspect of assembling the teams to make it a reality.

There will need to be:
A Developmental Team to build a proto type.
A Production team to refine the design and adapt it for ease of production.
A series of Teaching Teams to teach the Physicians how to operate it and to teach the Maintenance Technicians how to maintain and repair the machinery.

You are going to need lots of disciplines: Computer people, engineers, designers, integration specialists, lots of medical people, technicians,….. it’s a lengthy list.

They are going to have to open up entire new departments at medical schools and staff them.

Aside from the Overall project, a sizable undertaking, I spotted a few items that might make worthy TOPICS FOR A DOCTORAL DISSERTATION.

1) A special biodegradable glue for Nerve reconstruction.
2) A synthetic Nerve Cell substitute, to extend broken nerve cell chains.
3) A Cancer Reactive Dye.

One of the feats that machinery of this design will be able to perform is that it will be able to cut away cancerous tissue a cell at a time, or cell by cell. With a cancer reactive dye, the machine could rapidly cut out cancerous cells ONLY. And it could do it with a degree of precision and at a speed not previously attainable.
 

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Have you ever considered running for political office?

Raw intellect and such clarity in your reasoning clearly qualifies you as a Senator.
 

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Not interested in politics. Thanks anyway.

FFD


Fire Fighting DATA

In one of the Star Trek movies there is a scene where Mr. DATA is fired upon by some automatic weapon, after making a spectacular jump down several stories of a missile silo.

A “Machine Man” of this sort would make an exceptionally adept fireman. He could withstand temperatures and conditions that people can not. And the firefighter controlling him would still go home to his kids ALIVE, after a fire even if the building collapsed on the robo-firefighter. “MAKE IT SO!”

The Overall Fire Picture - 2007

  • There were 3,430 civilians that lost their lives as the result of fire.
  • There were 17,675 civilian injuries that occurred as the result of fire.
  • There were 118 firefighters killed while on duty.
  • Fire killed more Americans than all natural disasters combined.
  • 84 percent of all civilian fire deaths occurred in residences.
  • There were an estimated 1.6 million fires in 2007.
  • Direct property loss due to fires was estimated at $14.6 billion.
  • An estimated 32,500 intentionally set structure fires resulted in 295 civilian deaths.
  • Intentionally set structure fires resulted in an estimated $733 million in property damage.
Know anyone working in the medical profession, or perhaps going to med school?
Any questions?
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Galvatron

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I want to know if you have any designs of your own to help get this build started...if not we could be wasting our time here.....Sci-Fi is ok but we need realistic action to get things going.
 

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Actually the entire design is something I envisioned many years ago. It has taken Technology a while to catch up to that vision. I have built, installed and troubleshot many of the afore mentioned systems. Taking on a project of this nature is not some 'back-yard' or 'home-garage' type of project. It would require substaintial financial backing, the assembly of a well coordinated team, or even set of teams. One of the points I was trying to make is that not much NEW has to be developed. It is more the integration of a bunch of exsisting technologies. Definately NOT Sci Fi.
Johns Hopkins is one of the foremost institutions working along these lines. But to date I have not seen anyone taking on the whole project. Perhaps one point that needs clarification is: Build the medical operating system, from existing technologies, then up-grade and modify it to build even more safisticated machines such as cyborgs and robots.
Imagine that you have a degree in Reverse Engineering, then got a tour of AREA 51. That's what was just presented.
 

Galvatron

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sounds like you need to be asking for funding from Congress....i could chip in a few $$$ but hey the funding you need wont come from the likes of me.

Maybe rub Honda up for a few bucks ..i know that with Asimo they would take on any serious ventures to improve where they have not explored yet.
 

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I've worked on a variety of machines: big & small, Mills, lathes, presses, planers, screw and nail manufacturing equipment, plastic injection molding, excrusion equipment, Radar, Sonar, Exray, Printing Presses, computers, PLC'sa, Collision Avoidance systems, NC Equipment, Flight Simulators, CIP Systems, Emergency Power systems, Inertial Navigation systems,...... with my own hands, as well as in the capacity of a designer/engineer. About the only 2 systems that I listed in this thread that I have NOT worked on myself, are the NANO Technology and IC Manufacturing Equipment. However I'm still open to suggestions. I know this can be done, and that this is very likely how it will be done.
 

Galvatron

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Have you any thoughts on time travel....i have a theory thats been stuck in my mind for some time now and would love to share any thoughts on the subject.
 

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Being from a very Mathematical background, I don't think time travel in the classical sense is possible. However, it would be within the realm of possibility to look at the past. If one could exceed the speed of light, then one could feasably look back on the past, perhaps see an actual event unfolding, such as the birth of christ or the signing of the Declaration of Independence. It would be quite a technological feat.

The folks to fund the building of the CAMOS(Computer Animated Medical Operating Systems) is NSF. The National Science Foundation. The organization I work under is the NFPA ( National Fire Protection Association)
 
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